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Aert · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354

I'm not positive about the name yet, but it's likely to stay where it is - it means, more or less, 'of Aert' (it might become D'Aeryt).

Well, I've wanted to try some different things for a while but am reasonably pleased with what I'm going for with Aert.

Here's what I have so far:

Orthography:

a /a/ ae /eI/
e /ɛ/ i,ii /i/
y /I/ ai /aI/
á /ɑː, ɒ, ɔː/ ó /u/ oi /ɔɪ/
ú /ə/ u /ʌ/
o /ɔw/ ou /oʊ/ ao,eo /aʊ, eʊ/

b p g d t f v s z m n l w (all the same as IPA)
c /k/
Ħ,ħ /θ/ Ð,đ /ð/
j /ɣ,ʝ,ç/
ć /tʃ/ ĉ /dʒ/ ś /ʃ/ ź /ʒ/
ń /ŋ/
r /ɹ/ ŕ /r,ɾ/
yh /j/

I shifted the pronouns a bit to match this phonology, as well as the suffixes, prepositions, and articles, etc.

All grammatical aspects go on the pronoun now (if there is no personal pronoun, it is a separate word). There is no conjugation on the verb at all, including pronoun.

There are copious amounts of contractions, as shown by the examples below:

English
Aert
new

I have (habitually) been walking to school for five years
sVé dwenlóoiévr l’Azomin owẃ Teb-zẃ
l'Azómin áwo Tebzo sVi'rnoi'v dwenló

The spirit of the dead is ushered on to the Higher Horizon at the Transition Ceremony
Ýáscoa Várigaorųsth se dwentz laa Ýágároa hoit Fléńganoa Dwentz
a'l'Aiaegaero joi ali Flińgan Dwentz ali Aiaesco dá'li Vaerigaor se dwentz

I myself have been making art for 20 years
sVéthaas aabųrn hedáoi owẃ Teb ðén
áwo Teb ђin sVisi'súrnoi hedae

I gave my cat to your sister's friend Doug.
sVé leђ Adtëlvést laa Śifo ŚųųristŹórst Doug
Vid Adtúl l'ali Śyf dá Źór Śúrd Doug sVi leђ
"my cat to the sister of your friend I gave" (whew!)

Aert · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354

I'm pretty sure I saw some OSV conlangs here earlier, would someone be able to help me with some of the word order?

I'm trying to translate Frost's "The Road Not Taken" again, and some of the compound lines are messing me up.

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:48 am Post subject:

Sweet, langs with wacked-out word order are awesome. Looks good!

I would suggest 'and looked down one to where it bent in the undergrowth (which was as far as I could)'. Nothing too weird.

Aert · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354

Thanks

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject:

'To where, in the undergrowth, it bent'?
That kind of seems a bit less natural than the other way.

Aert · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354

And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

"and to where, in the undergrowth, it bent down one (path)
as far as I could I looked" ?

How about "And to the undergrowth, where it bent down one (path) as far as I could I looked" ?

or

"And to the undergrowth I looked / where it bent down one path as far as I could" (still not the right order?)

or

"And to the undergrowth I looked / down one path where as far as I could see it bent" Very Happy

That sounds much more natural to me, to put it into two phrases

Aert · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354

There we go, I think I've finished "The Road Not Taken" in D'aeryt.

Original Text

eldin raigmore · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject:

I very much like it.
I gotta ask, in your gloss, what does "TWWSB" mean?
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Aert · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354

right

that's an acronym for one word I have in Aert that means "that which was said before" usualy used for verbs, but can also be applied to nouns. Good for keeping from being repetetive Wink

eldin raigmore · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject:

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject:

Oh. /pK/
I see what you mean now.

I like that TWWSB idea.

Aert · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354

The literal definition of the word is "that which was said/indicated before;" if the word is not replacing a verb/noun, that is what it means (like our English word 'it' can function as a noun replacer when it's understood what it's replacing).

So far, I don't have anything specifically to indicate what the word is replacing, but if it's not clear to the speaker already, theoretically it is by the end of the sentence (ie only one possibility; we have the same problem in English with it/that/multiple uses of one word etc). I might though indicate if it replaces a noun or verb via capitalization (all nouns are capitalized in Aert/D'aeryt)

@eldin raigmore: Sorry, I don't know what a lot of those mean yet Sad

but you're right in saying it's one particular meaning of English's 'that.'

@Tolkien_Freak: Thanks Very Happy

eldin raigmore · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject:

Aert · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354

Ah, gotcha - that pretty much sums it up Very Happy

The other ones I wasn't sure about were obviate and logophoric; I looked them up now though.

The word is by it's nature logophoric (at least for phrases, sentences less commonly). And it is an obviate, bypassing the noun/verb.

Aert · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354

well, nevermind, D'aeryt just became VSO :S The OSV order wasn't working for what I was going for... but the rest will stay the same.

I'm having some ideas about another lang, dunno order yet but I have some ideas on grammar Very Happy

eldin raigmore · Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject: