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Aledapdyfed
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 10
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Hello! |
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Aled ap Dyfed ydw i. Cefais fy ngeni yng Nghymru, a dwi dal yn byw yma, yn Aberystwyth. Des i o hyd i'r wefan yma gan siawns (stumbleupon, os ydw i'n cofio'n iawn). Dydw i ddim wedi creu "conlang" neu "conscript" eto, ond mae'r syniad yn diddorol, felly byddaf yn creu un rhyw ddiwrnod
(Os ydw i'n gwneud gwall yn fy Saesneg - dweda imi! Cefais fy nysgu yn y cartref a dechreuais dysgu Saesneg pan oeddwn i'n 12 (felly dyna 4 mlynedd o ymarfer - dim digon!!))
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I am Aled son of Dyfed. I was born in Wales, and i still live here, in Aberystwyth. I find this website with chance ("Stumbleupon", if i remember correctly). I haven't created "conglang" or "conscript" yet, but the idea is interesting, so I will create one some-day
(If i make mistakes in my English - say to me! I was taught in the home and i started learning when i was 12 (so thats 4 years of experience - not enough!!)) |
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Eccentric Iconoclast
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 36
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Welsh has the most hilarious orthography. xD
Here's a better way to say it:
Quote: | I am Aled, son of Dyfed. I was born in Wales, and I still live here, in Aberystwyth. I found this website by chance ("stumbled upon", if i remember correctly). I haven't created any "conlangs" or "conscripts" yet, but the idea is interesting, so I plan to create one someday.
(If I make mistakes in English, tell me! I was taught at home and started learning when I was 12 (so thats 4 years of experience - not enough!) |
;)
At any rate, welcome. I hope you come up with something soon and show it to us. |
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Aledapdyfed
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 10
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the corrections
I think that English writing is much funnier than Welsh |
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StrangeMagic Admin
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 640
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Welsh looks confusing to me! LOL for example 'ydw' I have NO idea how to pronounce that. But anyway, welcome to the forum and we're looking forward to your contributions! |
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Serali Admin
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 929 Location: The Land Of Boingies
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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And I thought English was bad! _________________
Tobo deu ne lenito sugu? - You kissed a frog?! |
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Aledapdyfed
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 10
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Everyone reckons that it's strange because they do not know that "y" and "w" are vowels too. Once that is known, it's regular.
I have started a "conlang" but i haven't got much yet. It is called "Bræthonech". Maybe i will post it some day |
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halyihev
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 175 Location: Vermont, New England / Vrïtálá Kritsensá, Álurhná
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Aledapdyfed wrote: | Everyone reckons that it's strange because they do not know that "y" and "w" are vowels too. Once that is known, it's regular.
I have started a "conlang" but i haven't got much yet. It is called "Bræthonech". Maybe i will post it some day |
I agree, Welsh spelling is nicely phonetic, while English hasn't been anything vaguely resembling phonetic for about 500 years.
Welcome! Nice to have a cymro here. Are you truly a native Welsh speaker who didn't grow up bilingual in Welsh and English? I thought there were very few if any monolingual Welsh speakers anymore, even among children. Neat! _________________ Dwirze ghárìlen ershónyá áqálán.
Álurhsá Ólevár/Alurhsa Website: http://alurhsa.org
Sehályensá Víláren/Bilingual Blog: http://blog.alurhsa.org
Álurhsá Ásálqáren/Alurhsa Board: http://forum.alurhsa.org |
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Eccentric Iconoclast
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 36
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Aledapdyfed wrote: | Everyone reckons that it's strange because they do not know that "y" and "w" are vowels too. Once that is known, it's regular.
I have started a "conlang" but i haven't got much yet. It is called "Bræthonech". Maybe i will post it some day |
It's regular, sure, but it still looks strange.
I mean, anyone who's ever seen Welsh can identify it as Welsh right away even if they see just a sentence again. It's very...distinctive. Finnish has a similar quality, as does French. |
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Serali Admin
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 929 Location: The Land Of Boingies
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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I knew that in Welsh 'w' and 'y' were vowels. I also know that 'y' and 'w' have the ^ over them too. _________________
Tobo deu ne lenito sugu? - You kissed a frog?! |
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Eccentric Iconoclast
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 36
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Serali wrote: | I knew that in Welsh 'w' and 'y' were vowels. I also know that 'y' and 'w' have the ^ over them too. |
Same here.
xD |
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Aledapdyfed
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 10
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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halyihev wrote: | Are you truly a native Welsh speaker who didn't grow up bilingual in Welsh and English? I thought there were very few if any monolingual Welsh speakers anymore, even among children. | My grandparents cannot speak English - I sometimes go to them to help them translate letters (many of them are spam )
Serali wrote: | I knew that in Welsh 'w' and 'y' were vowels. I also know that 'y' and 'w' have the ^ over them too. | Yes, -take the word "wŷ" ("ooee" -egg) for an example. "wih" and "weh" are common pronounciations with foreigners |
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StrangeMagic Admin
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 640
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I see. So what sounds are the 'y', 'w', 'ŷ' and 'ŵ'.
I am probably more acknowledged about the Asian languages like Chinese, (Cantonese, Hakka), Korean, Mongolian and Thai. I haven't really learnt much about the languages spoken in Europe as such... hmm. |
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Aledapdyfed
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 10
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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I'll try and use the Phonetic Alphabet:
y = ɪ or ə
w = ʊ
ŷ = iː
ŵ = uː
so wŷ = ʊiː |
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Serali Admin
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 929 Location: The Land Of Boingies
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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StrangeMagic wrote: | I see. So what sounds are the 'y', 'w', 'ŷ' and 'ŵ'.
I am probably more acknowledged about the Asian languages like Chinese, (Cantonese, Hakka), Korean, Mongolian and Thai. I haven't really learnt much about the languages spoken in Europe as such... hmm. |
How do you type those? _________________
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StrangeMagic Admin
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 640
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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I see, thank you for the information Aledapdyfed.
Serali, I copied and pasted them, I'm unsure of how to type them with a English Keyboard. |
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halyihev
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 175 Location: Vermont, New England / Vrïtálá Kritsensá, Álurhná
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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StrangeMagic wrote: | I see, thank you for the information Aledapdyfed.
Serali, I copied and pasted them, I'm unsure of how to type them with a English Keyboard. |
I don't believe you can with a standard English keyboard.
On the Mac, you can use the US-Extended keyboard which will let you type darn near any diacritic on latin alphabet letters.
On the PC it's a bit more work. Perhaps the easiest way is to download the Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator (a freebee from Microsoft) and simply create a keyboard with the characters you want.
ŷ and ŵ are Unicode, however, so they might cause complications in non-Unicode apps. For example, I think the Safari browser on the Mac would probably spit. I have that problem if I use Turkish ğ and ş as well. Both the Turkish and Welsh letters (and Esperanto ones, I think) are in the Latin-3 character set, if you're using something that doesn't do Unicode. _________________ Dwirze ghárìlen ershónyá áqálán.
Álurhsá Ólevár/Alurhsa Website: http://alurhsa.org
Sehályensá Víláren/Bilingual Blog: http://blog.alurhsa.org
Álurhsá Ásálqáren/Alurhsa Board: http://forum.alurhsa.org |
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halyihev
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 175 Location: Vermont, New England / Vrïtálá Kritsensá, Álurhná
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Aledapdyfed wrote: | halyihev wrote: | Are you truly a native Welsh speaker who didn't grow up bilingual in Welsh and English? I thought there were very few if any monolingual Welsh speakers anymore, even among children. | My grandparents cannot speak English - I sometimes go to them to help them translate letters (many of them are spam ) |
Wow! I am impressed! I didn't think any of the Celtic languages had any monoglot speakers left, even among the elderly. It's nice to see Welsh is still going strong! _________________ Dwirze ghárìlen ershónyá áqálán.
Álurhsá Ólevár/Alurhsa Website: http://alurhsa.org
Sehályensá Víláren/Bilingual Blog: http://blog.alurhsa.org
Álurhsá Ásálqáren/Alurhsa Board: http://forum.alurhsa.org |
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Eccentric Iconoclast
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 36
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Welsh really is a lovely language. Heck, all of the Celtic languages are lovely. |
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StrangeMagic Admin
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 640
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I am also quite intrigued by Celtic languages. They have a mysterious sense around them in my opinion... ^^ |
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Aledapdyfed
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'll take "mysterious" as a compliment
I can write Welsh on the computer with the United Kingdom Extended keyboard. You can use it through:
1)Start > Control Panel
2)Regional and Language Options
3)Languages tab > Details
4)Add...
5)Press "keyboard layout or IME"
6)Choose "United Kingdom Extended"
You can then go AltGr+6 then y to get ŷ etc.
I think US-International uses Ctrl+Alt+6 then y to get ŷ. |
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