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yssida · Joined: 16 Sep 2007 Posts: 253 Location: sa jaan lang

Can anybody explain how they work? Honestly, I can't distinguish between what's a long vowel and a short vowel.

Also, does your conlang use them?

If possible, please point out links (if there are for sites and recordings)

Thanks!
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StrangeMagic · Admin Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 640

Thai uses a lot of vowel length, in fact I believe all of them except for 4 have both short and long vowels.

http://www.learningthai.com/vowels.html

In my conlang, there are a four long vowels, they are either show as two vowels together such as aa, ee, oo, uu or with a macron, ā, ē, ō, ū.

However, these are really few, it is the ee which which is the most common.

langover94 · Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 509 Location: USA

in my conlang, if you have double vowels, you would put an apostraphy (a brief stop in speech) between them. these are considered long because they are paired. however if you're talking about natlangs, there are several different ways to describe long vowels. if there is a macron above a vowel in english for example, then it is considered long (for instance a with a macron above it would be pronounced like the a in "gate"). however if you were to put a macron above a romaji vowel in japanese, the vowel sound would simply extend, which means that you would hold the sound for longer than you normally would.
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StrangeMagic · Admin Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 640

I make use of the apostrophe in pretty much the same way, but for me, I use it when there is a pair of vowels but I want it to be pronounced separately, such nara'agi instead of naragi.

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject:

My conlang doesn't distinguish between long and short vowels, you can use whichever you want.

Slightly off-topic- I've noticed that in songs, lines ending in short vowels seem a bit out-of place. They're just too short.

eldin raigmore · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Vowel Length

yssida · Joined: 16 Sep 2007 Posts: 253 Location: sa jaan lang

So basically, to produce a long vowel hold it longer than usual, is that right? But exactly how long? For example, I usually hold vowels for longer esp. if they are stressed, therefore it is hard for me to elongate vowels if they are not stressed.
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eldin raigmore · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject:

eldin raigmore · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject:

BTW I was answering with my amateur impressions.
Does anyone know the "real" or "professional" answers?

yssida · Joined: 16 Sep 2007 Posts: 253 Location: sa jaan lang

@eldin: I don't know of any professional answers but your 'amateur' ones were self-explanatory enough.
I've decided once again to re-allow the same vowels in hiatus. So it might develop into long vowels. I originally wanted it to dissimilate like /ii/----->/ie/ or /ei/ or /i4/ but then I guess they should just be long vowels. Another dialect could handle that.

Thanks everyone!
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