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achemel



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:58 am    Post subject: My conlangs Reply with quote

I feel like I've been posting a lot. Wink But, I saw something similar in earlier threads and I thought it'd be fun to throw out the names of my conlangs. (I tried doing this earlier but I was distracted by TV and timed out - oops.)

I'm using > to denote a dialect, and >> or >>> to denote further deviation, showing that the language is related to the one lacking an arrow but derived from one that is derived from it. I hope that's not confusing. (^_^)

Already posted:

Hemnlg
Tadvradcel
Ualaxx

Currently working on (in DEPTH):

Ddamaiche (though by the time Im done with it the name probably will have changed)
Hellcat (the actual name of which I havent figured out a Romanization for yet)

Other (human):

Kari
>Ipisha/behyokicha
>>Tuyago
Naau
>Qi
>>NgRayang
>>H
>Myaga
>>Yia
Bai-ren-gen-Mak
>Hob-dee-gen-Mak (Yhe bei-pyonam) this isnt so much a dialect as a branch on the same tree
>Ta Nonn-gen-Mak same thing here
>>Kiyrop this is actually a dialect of Ta Nonn
Ddamaiche
>Bili
>>Brech
>>>Eastern Brech
Nmah partly related to ddamaiche
Taisyth (Sal-Haim)
>Northern Taisyth (Thashyb/Shalimh)
>Delolha
Adia a variant of Ualaxx
>Nanga
>A E In
>Ste considered part of the Adia family but only because of some grammatical similarities
Nel
Daeam
Lisudu (Chaman/Chad-ci/Nablach)
>Tesq
>River dialect
>Massah
Westerling (Bal)
Border dialects (<actually>Kwb
>Bris
>je losama kiebhoch

Other (faerie):

Nymphean (family)
ra cel
Tadvradcel
>adva/adhaf
la Cel
>evr(cel)
>

Asrai
Ayar
Valla
Kkuch!ch!

Keudeu

Nus

Other (magical):

Chant
>Kribda could be considered a separate language but derived from Chant
>Daekik


I'll admit, I made the bases for ALL the human languages and some of the faerie languages about 5 years ago, and most of them never turned into more than basic grammar and lexicons of probably 50-100 words. But, if any of them seem interesting enough just by name, I'd be more than happy to work on them and post them for constructive criticism. Comments, please! Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice, you've done some work on all of those? Dang.

I have plans for something on a similar scale, but it'll take me quite some time to do anything at all. (And I think I have barely 150 words in Emitare so far, I suck so bad at making vocab.)

I wish you could do a 'family tree' somehow on a forum. I'd like to see yours, maybe as an image if you can.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could try that... just for the human-languages though, since the others really aren't related to them or each other at all. I'll give it a shot. Very Happy

Do you want any help with vocab?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Do you want any help with vocab?

Help sounds nice, though I'm not quite sure what you mean.

And I'd love to see the family tree. (I really like historical linguistics, especially in conworld settings.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what I mean either. Laughing I'll let you know if I figure it out.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can I post an image on here?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upload it somewhere (like Photobucket), then put it in [img] tags.

And thanks for the vague offer of help again ^_^
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://s627.photobucket.com/albums/tt351/achemel/?action=view&current=languagetree.jpg

I couldn't figure out the picture thing so I did it under URL... Rolling Eyes

Here's the language tree for most of my languages. (^_^)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool. What do the underlines mean?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, woops - the red lines are to mark the family base; the Italic/Celtic-root, for example, shows languages I made based on Romance-language grammar or Celtic-sounding/looking words, and the Asian-root are based on Japanese, Korean, and Chinese words and grammar. The Ciphers I just didn't have a general classification for... And, the blue lines mark older versions of a language that are extinct or remain only as a "classical" form, kind of like Classical Arabic is to Arabic, or Latin was to 18th or 19th century English (or whenever it was). "Tanga" is the version of Kari I used for my senior project presentation in high school, but now it's a bit outdated.

And, the "proto-grunt" is supposed to be a universal sort of natural language in our future which then splits into the Asian and Italic branches due to religious and political conflicts.
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Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool indeed. I like the ideas. How are you going to relate the Asian and Italo-Celtic ones back together?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, I'm not sure... Some things in the Italic/Celtic languages have a bit of Asian-root influence; for example, some structures and phrases take the verb at the end, despite normal verb flexibility, and the process of combining verbs is the same in both families - it's kind of like Japanese, where you take the... stem? (verb - /-masu/) and then you can tack on other verbs like 続く or 始める etc. Likely the proto-grunt will be more of a basis for the Italic/Celtic languages, and then the conflicts already present at its foundation as the base language will be the cause to the split into the Asian-root family. If you have any suggestions on how to make them relate I'll consider them gladly! (^_^)
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Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's cool. Relating already extant languages back together is a lot harder than descending off of the original one, so you may end up having to go back and change stuff to make it make more sense. I can see the proto-grunt being more Italo-Celtic, languages can change at what look like massively different rates (compare both Spanish and French to Latin).

JSYK, that pre-masu form is technically called the ren'youkei 連用形. Sadly, I've never seen a Modern Japanese grammar or textbook in English that actually describes Japanese right. I can't stand the name 'pre-masu stem' - why not just call it the ren'youkei and get it over with?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, I totally feel that - we learned some proper terms for things like the different levels of honorifics and stuff from our recitation teachers, since the textbook got confusing. Although, I've kinda forgotten what they are now... sonkeigo and... sumthin' else? As cool as ren'youkei looks it sure is easier to just type in "stem" isn't it? Wink I seriously hope I get to learn all the right terms this fall... or in the spring. XD If I don't I might just have to ask you about them, ahahahaaa.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be happy to teach you ^_^

AFAIK the Wikipedia article on Japanese grammar uses most of the right terms. I learned them from learning Classical Japanese (the textbook by Shirane Haruo, the book cover says Haruo Shirane). ^_^

I prefer typing out 'ren'youkei' since it's not really the 'stem'. IDK what the stem is, but if anything I would say there are 5 (in Classical Japanese, where the system is more visible) and the ren'youkei is one of them.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, we learned a bunch of terms... the stem is ren'youkai, the root is used to determine if the verb is a "vowel-verbal" or a "consonant-verbal" - and I know these are incredibly stupid terms and we've all spent the last two years making fun of them and others. Anyway, so the root of /iku/ would be /ik-/ and that's supposed to tell you that when you make it polite /ikimasu/ you have to have the /i/ with /masu/, not like /taberu/. That's a "vowel-verbal" and I forget the real term for the three (?) verb types... Um, the /te/ form we just call the gerund form. There's the /ba/ and /ra/ forms, and the rest of the terms we learned I think are pretty normal: causative, passive, volitional, etc.

Claaaaassical Japanese!!!! I have to wait until next year to take it because you have to have 3 years under your belt firrrrrrrst... Crying or Very sad I may have to look for that book.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
Well, we learned a bunch of terms... the stem is ren'youkai, the root is used to determine if the verb is a "vowel-verbal" or a "consonant-verbal" - and I know these are incredibly stupid terms and we've all spent the last two years making fun of them and others. Anyway, so the root of /iku/ would be /ik-/ and that's supposed to tell you that when you make it polite /ikimasu/ you have to have the /i/ with /masu/, not like /taberu/. That's a "vowel-verbal" and I forget the real term for the three (?) verb types... Um, the /te/ form we just call the gerund form. There's the /ba/ and /ra/ forms, and the rest of the terms we learned I think are pretty normal: causative, passive, volitional, etc.


! Too many English-y terms! Ngaaah!
Iku is a 'godan' verb (because the final vowel can be any vowel, ika-, iki-, iku, ike-, iko-), taberu is a shimo-ichidan verb (it has one vowel, -e), something like miru is a kami-ichidan verb (it's one vowel is -i). After that, though, I just use the general linguistics terms for each. I just call -te the 'continuative' form, since in CJ -te was just a particle after the ren'youkei that meant 'verb and' (mite, see and) - going by the accepted definition of 'gerund' that would be one of the uses for the ren'youkei. -Ba and -ra are both conditional, I have yet to figure out the difference in use between them (if you know please enlighten me), and the rest are just normal linguistics terms too. I really want to know all the Japanese terms for this stuff, and that textbook has a list of all of them in the front (like a page and a half worth - it's wonderful).

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Claaaaassical Japanese!!!! I have to wait until next year to take it because you have to have 3 years under your belt firrrrrrrst... Crying or Very sad I may have to look for that book.

That sucks. The book is wonderful, but somewhat hard to find. I ordered it off Barnes&Noble.com (and had it delivered to the store nearby). It's fairly expensive (like $50) but worth every cent.
The last part on sound changes to modern Japanese is a bit weird though. It talks about adjectival ren'youkei losing their -k- at the end (shirou instead of shiroku), and there are a couple of other nonstandard forms for similar reasons. (bei instead of beki).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
the textbook by Shirane Haruo, the book cover says Haruo Shirane
Knowing nothing, I have to ask: which one is correct? I know the given name is supposed to be second, but which of them is it?

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
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Pronunciation? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hemicomputer wrote:
Tolkien_Freak wrote:
the textbook by Shirane Haruo, the book cover says Haruo Shirane
Knowing nothing, I have to ask: which one is correct? I know the given name is supposed to be second, but which of them is it?

Shirane Haruo is correct. (Her family name is Shirane.)

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
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Pronunciation? Very Happy

Razz
/2y 2y 2y 2y 2y/
It's Emitare's interjection for... gah, the word eludes me... shall we say, 'expressing distaste at an unpleasant situation' (like in a card game, you discover your hand is terrible, then you say ).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still working on figuring out /ra/ and /ba/ myself. Smile I know I've heard "godan verb" before!! But, I couldn't remember what it meant. XD Perhaps sometime this week I'll have to browse Barnes&Noble for that book - amazingly enough I've got a giftcard for $20 or so, heh. (^_^)

We did learn about the adjectival ren'youkei because we dove right into the super-ridiculously polite forms first, because they're more difficult than the casual forms and all that. I know a bunch of stuff because I love the variety in dialects, and you can see that some dialects retain the old forms sometimes. Very Happy I love it!!
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