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Cordelier · Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 60 Location: New Mexico, USA

To my fellow conworld creators,
There is a series of Proverbs, which one of my main characters, Cordelier, recites throughout my story, and I wanted to see if you, too, could translate them into your own conlangs. This topic is mainly for fun and diversity, so translate at your own free will.

Proverb 1:

English:
"There are three things that scream without cease, "Use me": the money that desires to be spent, the weapons that yearns to kill, and the vain words."

French:
"Il y a trois choses qui crient sans cesse, "Utilise-moi": la monnaie voulant être gaspillée, les armes qui désirent tuer, et les paroles vaines."

Árengwé (Elven Speech):
"Lle ther biritrien oménar n'idia iqil, "tílmer e'eino": el herek dhésinar theon thílmie, elen ilmiárim dhésinar lardon, a'len ülin'ando."

Bathgär (Stone Speech):
[To come soon]

-- Cordelier
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Aeetlrcreejl · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 839 Location: Over yonder

Cordelier · Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 60 Location: New Mexico, USA

@Aeetlrcreejl:
Interesting. Very nice language. How would you pronounce it, I lust to know? LOL!
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3- Créole

My Conlangs:
- Firstborn Speech (not named yet)
- Lion Speech (not named yet)

Aeetlrcreejl · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 839 Location: Over yonder

/sontʃ truː egmuː tiluːt ʃiɣintuː meːt taːn kryːsos pieːnnos tel kyːnenta verba vaːna/
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kyonides · Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 301

Kexyana

Rivo Dissam thelo shes neinaulo "syaosh Neasa". Nivylgo thel Verze slageresh Leana haeli Erverze, fivylgo thelo Marnon rovulo ikerei, rivylgo thelo eurnon Lomon.

"Three things are and they desperately scream "use me". First it's money hoping there'll be a transaction with it, second there are weapons waiting to kill, third there are empty words."
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Cordelier · Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 60 Location: New Mexico, USA

@Kyonides:
Wow, it is by far different than what I expected, to be honest (which I find it good)!
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Languages spoken:
1- French
2- English
3- Créole

My Conlangs:
- Firstborn Speech (not named yet)
- Lion Speech (not named yet)

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:18 am Post subject:

Woo, necroing. (I'm bored.)

The once again new-and-improved Emitare (yes, <th> is /T/):

Uzatjuriu ｢serule oyu｣ ryu darale kesa e: orulane evure oruyu, udjale evure kethayu, uzakara erule ryuyu.
end(trans)-NEG-ADV ｢use-IMP 1.STAT｣ QUOT.STAT yell-ATT thing-three exist: spend-PASS-NOM.STAT want-ATT money-and, kill-NOM.STAT want-ATT weapon-and, end-INDEF.STAT exist-NEG-ATT word-and.
'Three things exist that unendingly yell ｢use me｣: money that wants to be spent, weapons that want to kill, and words that do not have some end.'

'Pointless' is rendered by saying 'without some end' - at this point in time, 'uza' ('end') is beginning to shift to meaning 'point, purpose'.
'Oyu' ~= おれ。

(The Japanese quote marks are because I feel like it, they're not part of the romanization.)

Kiri · Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 471 Location: Latvia/Italy

I feel like presenting a little bit of my natlang to you, people Very Happy

Latvian:
Trīs lietas bez kavēšanās kliedz: "Izmanto mani!" - nauda, gribot, lai to tērē, ieroči, alkdami nogalināt, un vējā izmesti vārdi.

Haha, I'm feeling poetic tonight. "Vējā izmesti vārdi" literally means "words thrown in the wind", and you could just say "velti vārdi" or "veltīgi vārdi", thus indicating pointles or vain words, but, this way it sounds more like what usually sayings sound like in Latvian Very Happy

Plus, we really do say "viss vējā" (everything in the wind), when it seems like we've worked hard and nothing's come out of it, so it's not completely out of the blue Very Happy

Will attempt TŠL translation sometime Very Happy

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:07 am Post subject:

I'd like to see a gloss of that - there's a lot more commas than I would have expected ^_^

I might do it in Japanese if people want.

Kiri · Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 471 Location: Latvia/Italy

Yes, Latvian seems to be quite heavy on commas, comparing to English, for instance Smile

I have no idea how to gloss some things, but I'll use some made up ways of explaining it Very Happy

Trīs lietas bez kavēšanās kliedz: "Izmanto mani!" - nauda, gribot, lai to tērē, ieroči, alkdami nogalināt, un vējā iz-mesti vārdi.

Three things without cease.NOUN yell.3: "Use.IMP me.ACC!" money, want.UB, that it.ACC spend.3, weapons, crave.HB to.kill, and wind.LOC PRE-throw.PB words.

, where
NOUN - an ending that makes a verb into a noun.
UB - so-called un-inflectable participle
HB - so-called partially inflectable participle
PB - so-called past participle of the passive voice
PRE - a prefix, that, in this case, indicates, that the words have been thrown out in the wind

I must mention, that I could've used the participles differently, but there is no way I could've gone without them Smile

All the commas are there, because there is a rule about participal clauses and commas Very Happy

Any questions?

Cordelier · Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 60 Location: New Mexico, USA

@Everyone:
So much variety! Surprised

It has been a while since I didn't visit this website, so I am not that updated on the late changes. But wow! Anyhow, I shall update my Speeches soon, and post my calligraphic work some day. I have been busy...
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Languages spoken:
1- French
2- English
3- Créole

My Conlangs:
- Firstborn Speech (not named yet)
- Lion Speech (not named yet)

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject:

@Cordelier: Nice to see you back. The variety is the fun part of conlanging ^_^

@Kiri:
See if I can help you a little on English terminology ^_^

Zearen Wover · Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 42

Hmm, I'll give it a shot.

jehslil ahf' mongkief' tsaeler shol koe koesah loonerf' chiek' wae terf' chee. meltar nowtal shooboulf' keh koef' loonerboulf' chee, nowtal koe keh marReerf' zae hehper marReerkae chee, hehdal ahf' Lievelf' choek'.

stop -NEG-DROP loud-DROP talk QUOTE cause you.IMP become-DROP it.OPEN CLOSESET 3 -VERB-DROP it.USE. and-FOLD want money-DROP SUBJECT cause-DROP trade-DROP it.USE want cause SUBJECT dead-DROP A tool dead-NOM it.USE purpose -NEG-DROP word-DROP it.CLOSE CLOSESET.

The gloss probably makes no sense. I couldn't figure out how to do it. Exyan grammar is… different.
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Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:25 am Post subject:

'DROP'? 'OPEN CLOSESET 3'? 'FOLD'?

I'm curious.

Zearen Wover · Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 42

-DROP:
All Exyan tehvels (≈ verbs) take two poesehs (≈ nouns) by default. Adding f' to the end drops the first argument.

{it.OPEN, it.USE, it.CLOSE}:
The words chie chee and choe are used to describe ambiguous words between sentences. Chie is the first use, it's then chee for every intermediate use, and then choe when it's done being described.

CLOSESET
Certain words in open sets (QUOTE and FOLD here). K', or CLOSESET indicates the sets are done.

3: Uh this was just supposed to be the numeral three, I guess I did that wrong.

FOLD:
This is difficult to describe with out going into depth about Exyan. If you know anything about functional computer languages, it basically works like foldr. Here it basically ands everything in the set.

I'll make a topic for Exyan sooner or later. I'm just busy/a procrastinator.
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Kiri · Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 471 Location: Latvia/Italy

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject:

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

I haven't worked with any of my languages since September I think, but here goes. Wink

Hope I got them all. If anyone wants IPA or X-SAMPA of these I can add them then.

Ddamychal: halant pe etwnan tal gozla lat ga-lab “ha sethem”: al-ragyt tal isy hesat palekha, al-senani tal ézra gralach, ghe al-dukhin damwla.
GLOSS: be-PRES-3pl. 3 thing-pl. that-prep. scream-PRES without an-end, “I-m.-DOP use-IMP”: D.A.-money that-prep. want-pres-3s. INF be-STAT-INF spend-PAST-ADJ, D.A.-weapon-pl. that-prep. long-PRES-3s. INF kill-INF, and D.A.-word-pl. vain.

Tadváradcel: hysr igh thmaïl fýsth thob glyssähudv “sslyväes!”: brhú manth rwl myl hysrsslyves, cmhär manth hymyl ssges, ysth rh mýsný.
GLOSS: be-PRES three thing which scream-PRES with NEG-end-CONT “use-IMP-I”: money which have-desire-PRES be-spend-INF, weapon which wish-PRES kill-INF, and word vain.

It's very interesting looking at the posts so far! (^_^) I hope more people do this translation so I can stare at the awesomeness, haha.
Ra cel: ia ígh dhryrn cnù tébho yn-yfümëusaghmhách nvimẅj lí: csemèdhnü pru, dëgonünü námisn, clydn i tádunir.
GLOSS: be-PRES 3 thing-pl. that-PREP scream-PRES-D without ending-ADJ->ADV. “use-IMP me”-QUOTE: spend-PASS-VOL-3s. money, kill-VOL-VOL-3pl. weapon-pl., and word-pl. 1a1n vain.

Ualaxx: ocunaailailaigohoeelaecuuhhxxorruanäähhänaa “sainxaac”: məənhiieeaigamsaingohoececuuguuucageelaaumaiguucəəngohoececuucooeelagohhee
GLOSS: have-AOR-some-thing-NOM3pl.-CONJ3s.-NEG-end-AGENT3s.-scream-AOR, “use-IMP-1sts.-ACC-VOC”: money-NOM-VOL-PASS-use-thing-VOC-CONJ3s. –weapon-NOM3pl.-(augment)VOL-kill-thing-VOC-CONJ3s.-word-NOM3pl.-vain.

Hemnälg: sëg äs uttar gyl sjosch borso “garsa form”: mjuttar gyl nëroch sorglam, tjäckor gyl samneroch tygec, yr löngel haldus.
GLOSS: be-PRES three thing-pl. that-prep. scream without end “use-IMP I-ACC”: trade-item-pl. which desire-PRES be-use-PAST, weapon-pl. which need-want-PRES kill-INF, and word-pl. arrogant.

Nöra Hemnälg: sig äs uttar gyl sjos borso “garje fon”: muttar gyl neroch sorgran, täckor gyl samneroch ttynech, yr löngel haldus.
Burstänby Hemnälg: see äs udar gyl sjoch borsoo “garse form”: mjudar gyl neeroch sorgram, tjäckor gyl samneroch skigeck, yĝ löngel haldus.
Värhelklad Hemnälg: ser äs udar gyl sjåsjv bårså “garen farm”: mjudar gyl nyruch sårgram, täckår gyl samneruch tyĝec, yĝ löngel haldus.

It's been interesting looking at the posts so far! (^_^) I hope more people do this translation so I can stare at the awesomeness, haha.

@T_F, I like your Japanese translation - it sounds so nice and succinct.
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English, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Spanish, French
I would like to learn:
Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
Main conlangs:
ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah

Zearen Wover · Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 42

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:25 am Post subject:

Gah, Ualaxx is frightening. Three fricken words.
And Hemnälg looks so Nordic that I always read it in my head with Norwegian tone patterns ^_^
I'd ask more questions, but it's a bit much information to process ATM. (Gomen!)