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Aert



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject: Dissertations Reply with quote

Hey,

Do you sort out your notes into dissertations on your conlangs, or know of other peoples dissertations?

I would really like to read some of these when I have time, they could help with mine, or just with how other languages could/do work.

My document on Aert is over 3000 words right now, but it's getting bigger as I discover more things a language has to be able to do Wink

Thanks!
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Tolkien_Freak



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far all I have for Emitare and PKM is a spreadsheet each of all the various grammatical forms. I know that many people do write grammars of their conlangs (and I have heard it said that if your grammar's less than 50 pages, your conlang's nowhere near 'done').

I need to write at least a PKM grammar this summer, 'specially since that's the era I'm going to try to thoroughly complete this summer.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Dissertations Reply with quote

Aert wrote:
Do you ... know of other peoples dissertations?
Chris D. Bates, the maths student from Nottinghamsire, has written more than one very good one that is a pleasure to read as well as thought-provoking and informative.
As a general rule only his most recently completed one and the one he is now working on are available online; he tends to let the older ones lapse unless someone asks.
Look on http://chrisdb.me.uk/; if you look for it you can probably find a link to one or two of them.
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Aert



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the links, elding raigmore! Those will be really useful for mine, and for other (con)linguistic interests Smile

@Tolkien_Freak: well, I know my conlang is nowhere near done, but 50 pages! Shocked Mine's only 17! I haven't gone into incredible depth yet, especially for the phonologies and pronunciation, and I know I'll be adding lots of grammar notes once they come up in translation challenges/etc, but still! (better get busy Arrow )

I'm just wondering, how do you write a grammar for an older/archaic version of your conlang (unless you work backwards)? I imagine you changed things around to better suit what you were trying to accomplish for your 'lang, so some grammar changes etc might be unlikely in an evolutionary sense.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aert wrote:
@Tolkien_Freak: well, I know my conlang is nowhere near done, but 50 pages! Shocked Mine's only 17! I haven't gone into incredible depth yet, especially for the phonologies and pronunciation, and I know I'll be adding lots of grammar notes once they come up in translation challenges/etc, but still! (better get busy Arrow )

My thoughts exactly. I could probably write a fairly comprehensive grammar of a natlang in under 50 pages.

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I'm just wondering, how do you write a grammar for an older/archaic version of your conlang (unless you work backwards)? I imagine you changed things around to better suit what you were trying to accomplish for your 'lang, so some grammar changes etc might be unlikely in an evolutionary sense.

If it's not the evolutionary ancestor, I would suggest just isolating it and acting as if the current version doesn't exist.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first started conlanging, I wrote everything down in a spiral notebook. But I found myself crossing things out and changing stuff all the time, so now it's all just in my head. I have vocabulary, tense indicators, and cases written down, but that's it. I do know that it's no where near 50 pages long if I were to write it. Probably more like 10.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My average grammar is about 2 pages... Though, dictionaries for all of my languages including the ones not posted here are at least 300 words. I sort of work through vocab building and then when I stumble across something that might need a grammatical rule I make one. Smile I often end up putting that rule into the dictionary as "suffix"/"prefix"/"infix" or "part of speech" or something, so all I have written down for any given language really amounts to verb conjugations, word order, and numbers.
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