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Translation Challenge: Cthulhu Noster.
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Baldash



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
relativizers tend to be similar to, and diachronically derived from, three other kinds of words:
* demonstratives, like "that";
* question-words, like "who" and "which";
* some third thing I've forgotten Embarassed Rolling Eyes Sad

Could the third be the genitive preposition? I don't know about any natural language, but my conlang has the same for "my car" = "car PREP me" and "a car that is red" = "car PREP is-red ca-it". "PREP" is the same in both examples.

In Swedish, the relative preposition is "som", which isn't similar to any of them, but the same word when not a relative preposition could translate to English "as": "Du gćr som en groda" = "You walk as a frog" or "You walk like a frog", the same word as in "The man who ate the fish" = "Mannen som ćt fisken", "The car that is red" = "Bilen som är röd".
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aalmok:

.ja kťuhlu(ya xai ku hoošnoi)..peuzal nai wa joeen..wa cetsîť uňkiyai ku řlyehoi e ihaa-nťleiyoi.

.<Cthuhlu-0>we-INC-GEN-NOM(who-CONJ to-exist-3P-SING-PRES in ocean-LOC)..heaven-GEN to-be-3P-SING-PRES name you-SING-GEN-NOM..kingdom you-SING-GEN-NOM to-come-3P-SING-NFUT in<R'lyeh-LOC>and<Y'ha-Nthlei-LOC>.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
eldin raigmore wrote:
I read (and posted) about this once. World-wide and cross-linguistically, regardless of language-family, linguistic area (sprachbund), or (up to a point) language type, relativizers tend to be similar to, and diachronically derived from, three other kinds of words:
* demonstratives, like "that";
* question-words, like "who" and "which";
* some third thing I've forgotten Embarassed Rolling Eyes Sad
Makes sense though. English has both the first two competing (and the first one is winning). Wonder what the third one is.

Baldash wrote:
Could the third be the genitive preposition? I don't know about any natural language, but my conlang has the same for "my car" = "car PREP me" and "a car that is red" = "car PREP is-red ca-it". "PREP" is the same in both examples.
In Swedish, the relative preposition is "som", which isn't similar to any of them, but the same word when not a relative preposition could translate to English "as": "Du gćr som en groda" = "You walk as a frog" or "You walk like a frog", the same word as in "The man who ate the fish" = "Mannen som ćt fisken", "The car that is red" = "Bilen som är röd".

Don't know; but IIANM some dialects of English have "the man as at the fish" and "the car as is red", so maybe so.


LingoDingo wrote:
Aalmok:
.<k>tošal(wa kuunai ku hoošnci)..piyumzal aanai joeen weˀal..cetsîť weˀal byubei ku<345>ke<ihaa>.
.<Cthuhlu>we-INC-GEN-NOM(who-CONJ to-exist-3P-SING-PRES in ocean-LOC)..heaven-GEN to-be-3P-SING-PRES name you-SING-GEN-NOM..kingdom you-SING-GEN-NOM to-come-3P-SING-NFUT in<R>.

Good! Thanks. Smile Cool


killerken wrote:
Hooray! I got to invent a vocative case for this one! And a relative pronoun!
"Our Chthulhu who art in the sea, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come, thy will be done in R'lyeh as it is in Y'ha-nthlei." -Thanks Eldin
Cțuluâsew, mor san ŝosorî lârvỉ nun, wỉrâno mentolorâr lârvỉ nun; voțenalenâno hesvỉ nun, hyavâno dỉrvâr lârvỉ nun, san R'lyeh lâc san Y'ha-nthei lârvỉ nun.
Cthulhu-1stplposs(V), which in sea-great to-be gnomic-indicator, name-2ndposs(S) holy to-be gnomic-indicator; kingdom-2ndposs(S) to-come gnomic-indicator, will-2ndposs(S) done to-be gnomic-blah, in R as/like in Y to-be g-i.
Mor is used for people, animals, inanimate objects, etc. Dỉrvâr is the adjective/past participle form of the verb to-do: dỉrvỉ.

Sorry for taking so long to say so, killerken, but: Awesome! Cool
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