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What language is this and what does it mean?

 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:28 am    Post subject: What language is this and what does it mean? Reply with quote

(This may be a trick question.)

What language is this, and what does it mean?

sctiv crmn feconi cuzn.
scylaac tizrhf vnbta crmow mntcre feruos corhir nipdpt cuagau zncdhg.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might be insensitive, considering the nature of this site, bit it kinda looks like complete rubbish to me...
A lot of consonants. Simply too many of them. Well, of course some of them could be vocalic and stuff, but, for example, "nipdpt" seems like a highly implausible word. I'm not an expert but I have yet to see a natural language with four plosives in a row.
Where did you get this from? I hope I didn't offend anyone Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kiri wrote:
A lot of consonants. Simply too many of them. Well, of course some of them could be vocalic and stuff, but, for example, "nipdpt" seems like a highly implausible word. I'm not an expert but I have yet to see a natural language with four plosives in a row.

Even Nuxálk?
Even Georgian?
Even Imdlawn Tashlhiyt Berber?

I do not know that there is such a language. But since some languages have syllabic ejectives, I wouldn't be surprised! And, some languages (e.g. English) have tautosyllabic TT (stop+stop) clusters (e.g. /akt/); and some languages have tautosyllabic CCCC clusters; and some languages allow word-internal clusters of up to seven consonants.

Say you have a word-internal syllable consisting of two stops, one of which is its nucleus (e.g. /dp/). Suppose the coda of the syllable before it ends with a stop (e.g. /p/). Suppose the onset of the syllable after it begins with a stop (e.g. /t/). You might have four stops in a row (e.g. /pdpt/) that way.


Kiri wrote:
Where did you get this from?

I have told you in a PM. I don't want to put it here until everyone's given up.


Kiri wrote:
I hope I didn't offend anyone Sad

No offense taken; personally I can't imagine why it could be taken.
But, you didn't hold down your mouse button and drag your mouse over the message from top left to bottom right, did you?
And you didn't hit "quote" either, right?
So if there was any invisible text you didn't see it.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering that "this may be a trick question", I would hazard a guess that this sample is some natlang (possibly even plain old English) obscured via some sort of encryption. I can't make any recognizable / less improbable words by rearranging most of these, so I would rule out anagrams as a method. I'm guessing, then, that it's a regular letter-substitution.

Of course, it could just be gibberish and eldin is trolling us.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hemicomputer wrote:
Considering that "this may be a trick question",
(yes, IMO it is.)
Hemicomputer wrote:
I would hazard a guess that this sample is some natlang (possibly even plain old English)
(you could look at it that way, yes.)
Hemicomputer wrote:
obscured via some sort of encryption. I can't make any recognizable / less improbable words by rearranging most of these, so I would rule out anagrams as a method. I'm guessing, then, that it's a regular letter-substitution.
(think "acronyms".)
Hemicomputer wrote:
Of course, it could just be gibberish and eldin is trolling us.
(no, it's something pretty well known, just hardly ever presented this way.)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reading Cryptonomicon right now and am very tempted to analyze this to death, but I don't have the mathematical skills to figure out the most commonly occurring letter and all that. Also, hi, it's been a while.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Achemel!
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