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Kiri
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 Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:01 pm Post subject: Pater Noster |
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The good ole' Lord's Prayer 
Latvian:
Mūsu Tēvs Debesīs, svētīts lai top Tavs Vārds, lai nāk Tava Valstība, Tavs Prāts lai notiek kā Debesīs, tā arī virs zemes. Mūsu dienišķo maizi dodi mums šodien un piedod mums mūsu parādus, kā arī mēs piedodam saviem parādniekiem. Un neieved mūs kārdināšanā, bet atpestī mūs no ļaunā, jo Tev pieder valstība, spēks un gods mūžīgi mūžos, āmen.
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/pater/index.html
TŠL:
Sūl Ťinsi, kæ zōģan Ťamdiai œlín. Zì Qandri riķan panņei alí. Zì Duxšæ riteit alí. Zì Gaitae riďœs šāeťehai kommaf Ťamdiai alí. Sūl bamrengi ženďi sūl taišoļ zōtàs airengai ōe zōfass sūl paņķol alí kommaf sliģan paņķitraloņ fassœlin. Alao, Zì fùšōr sūl taišo kjamďertai hai zōhāft sūl taišo ixiō šof alí. Ņan zōënt Duxšæ ōe Vaxæ ōe Gārbe hantī hantai œlín. Āmën.
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Tolkien_Freak
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Have we ever thought to do this before? I think we have, but it's been ages...
Eryumenare ölhueyu kanai, evoe me leryu; eötje me kareme, yaranje me evö, öyalha eryumeneme. Lhare ömai irilhuzölhe eu irilhire, edhaleyu ölhue ulaza edhalime ölhu ulaza yatune la. Yature ölhu yatje ulaevümani, savaleö ölhu ulaemaku; ölhüre karama, ölhüre karale, ölhüre ovaraya, neljö neljöyu. Amenu.
[not going to gloss it unless people want it] |
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Hemicomputer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| Tolkien_Freak wrote: | | not going to gloss it unless people want it |
I'd like a gloss!
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Tolkien_Freak
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| Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Öü... alright then...
(couple of corrections in the text too)
Eryumenare ölhueyu kanai, evoe me leryu; eötje me kareme, yaranje me evö, öyalha eryumeneme. Lhare ölhumai irilhuzölhe eu irilhire, edhaleyu ölhue ulaza edhalime ölhu ulaza yatune la. Yature ölhu yatje ulaevümani, savaleö ölhu ulaemaku; melhüre karama, melhüre karale, melhüre ovaraya, neljö neljöyu. Amenu.
heaven-LOC-COP-ATT me-PL-POSS.ATT-and father-VOC, holy-IMP your (no, it's not you-POSS-ATT) name.STAT; come-IMP your kingdom.ACT, happen-IMP your will.STAT, earth-LOC heaven-LOC-COMP. give-IMP me-PL-ALL day-UNIV-POSS-ATT food.STAT day-DEM, forgive-IMP-and me-PL-POSS.ATT sin.STAT forgive-COMP me-PL.ACT sin.STAT do-PAST-ATT person.STAT. *CAUS-NEG-IMP me-PL.STAT go-NOM.STAT temptation-ILL, save-IMP-but me-PL.STAT evil-ABL; you-POSS-because kingdom.STAT, you-POSS-because power.STAT, you-POSS-because glory.STAT, time-UNIV time-UNIV-and. Amen.
Fu--.
*Causative = do agent.ACT patient.STAT action-NOM.STAT
(if COMP doesn't mean comparative, let me know) |
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eldin raigmore
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Glosses -- good!
Can you(plural) write it in your conscripts?
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Tolkien_Freak
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I need to rework my conscript to work better with my reworked lang, but I'll get around to it eventually. |
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Aeetlrcreejl
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Pádáú, ğis falt eksẹ,
ĩtōw kiti sòxa.
Gỵ̃ỵ̃o ọti.
Xešadxa kiti
pes ek ğẹ falt ek.
Dǽstí bọọ bek ọọw
íĩwêtídáúk köjaklá
ğẹ íĩwêtáú xecaktuláúkdáúk.
Ẽwsỳsai ọavtídáú
ũ wêavtí köjak
ska xa gỵ̃ỵ̃o, səxesai, ẹtí
saĵọọjọọ
Amen.
No gloss until one is asked for, but I'll post it in my conscript soon.
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Tolkien_Freak
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd like a gloss, and maybe some X-SAMPA. |
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Kiri
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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yes, some kind of pronunciation would be greatly appreciated  |
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achemel
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. 
Hemnälg: Karna pärsud gyl säg Badfec, säg ener ëbis/dyna syd. Llärnren kärit ëbis/dyna dåmlägad, yr ëbis/dyna rotgar säg pyl noch yr nerlech hul Badfec. Llärnren kar häg porra svetis, yr jörga karna sjona lyrar på jökarg nerlech hul. Sjä åmënen kar sjona rotgarnoj yr urven kar tisjjeg. Ëbis/dyna dir säg dåmlägad yr gränneng yr djönne rhut yr onon, kodegår.
"Printed"
Handwritten - There is an error in the second line - I used the masculine "your" for some reason, while everything else is feminine. I was too lazy to fix it.  Also I wrote rotgar as rochar, which also is acceptable since they're pronounced exactly the same.
(we-of father that be-PRES-3s heaven-in, be-PRES-3s holy your.m./your.f. name. let-IMP come your.m./your.f. kingdom, your.m./your.f. desire-pl. be-PRES-3s do-PAST-3pl. here and same way heaven-in. Let-IMP we receive we-of water today-of, and forgive-IMP we-of wrong thing-pl. as forgive(we) same way. NEG lead-IMP we wrong desire-pl.-toward and save-IMP we evil-one-from. Your.m/your.f one be-PRES-3s. kingdom and power and glory always and forever, praise-pl.)
Back-translation: Our father who is in heaven, holy is your name. Let your kingdom come, your desires be done here as they are in heaven. Let us receive our daily water and forgive us our wrongs as we also forgive. Do not lead us toward wrong desires and save us from Evil. Yours is the kingdom and power and glory always and forever, praise be.
Ra cel: Bérri-guügh sim ia by-ẁmëin, ia gẃj-athi i bhunir. Allasûl tomgh-athi s-alla-bhŷdh fiej-athi by-Yarac ým bhŷdh by- ẁmëin. Helbhgem ûna dhaẅbh-guügh, s-vlaham gorn-guügh ým vlaha lëi sa sbödy séd rind lóg. Férm gyn lóg tä-bhátach s-jogènm lóg rind rýc ë cjäbir. Allia athi tomragh-s-öclu-s-amêra nóvn, cmèith gysvî/émèn.
Handwritten
(father-our who be-PRES in-heaven, be-PRES name-your holy 1a2n. come-SUBJ reign-your and-do-PASS-SUBJ will-your on-Yarac as do-PASS in-heaven. Provide-IMP today bread-our, and-forgive-IMP sin-pl.-our as forgive-PRES we (clause) sin-PRES they against us. Lead-IMP-NEG us into-temptation and-protect-IMP us against him evil-1a-4n. be-SUBJ yours kingdom-and-power-and-glory forever, amen/amen)
Back-translation: Our father who is in heaven, your name is holy. Let your reign come and let your will be done in The World as is done in heaven. Provide our bread today and forgive our sins as we forgive they who sin against us. Do not lead us to temptation and protect us from the evil one. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever, amen.
I will provide IPA or X-SAMPA for these upon demand. (^_^)
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Kiri
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Necromancing!
Bulhasšwai:
Čaudwimatyupugušjyakwaš,
Dušlyaumihya kassamwabadya,
Dušwauhwihya dadadya,
Dwimatyušaušau bašustyuduščiwijipwaučadya.
Igautamčas čaušal čaugautampushahadatugi,
Čaušal čauhašipwaučutajisapuhada.
Čauhwa čauhašibulšal sapuhu.
Dagama balhusamatyučaujilabamaigabi,
Šalhišsam čaujijabugada.
Dušhya šwališwalitamčas wauhwilamajilahaumalajipwisalumasa.
Amim.
Here's the scrypt version:
Also, there were people who promissed to provied glosses, scripts and other things, and never did |
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Tolkien_Freak
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Ironically, no one ever did the Latin for this one!
Pater noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen.
father.NOM.SG our.NOM.SG.MASC, REL.NOM.SG is.2SG in heaven-ABL.PL, sanctify-SUBJ-3.SG-PASS name.NOM.SG your-NOM.SG.NEUT. come-SUBJ-3SG kingdom.NOM.SG your-NOM.SG.NEUT. be.done-SUBJ-3SG will.NOM.SG your-NOM.SG.FEM, the.same in heaven-ABL.SG and in earth-ABL.SG. bread-ACC.SG our-ACC.SG.MASC daily-ACC.SG.MASC give-IMP.SG us.DAT today, and forgive-IMP.SG us.DAT debt-ACC.PL our-ACC.PL.NEUT, the.same and us.NOM forgive-1PL debtor-DAT.PL our-DAT.PL.MASC. and NEG us.ACC lead-SUBJ-2SG into temptation-ACC.SG, but free-IMP.SG us.ACC from evil-ABL.SG.NEUT. amen. |
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achemel
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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@Kiri - that looks AWESOME - can you gloss it?
I might do this in ddamychal and Nomah later but I still haven't finished the Paradise Lost TC... |
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Kiri
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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The glossary to Bulhasšwai (nothing too extraordinary, really)
Čau-dwima-tyu-puguš-jyakwaš,
1-heaven-LOC-locate.GER-father
Duš-lyaumi-hya kassam-wabadya,
2-name-NOM sacred-become.3IMP
Duš-wauhwi-hya dadadya,
2-country-NOM come.3IMP
Dwima-tyu-šaušau bašus-tyu-duš-čiwi-ji-pwaučadya.
heaven-LOC-same.as earth-LOC-2-will-ACC-do.3IMP
I-gau-tam-čas čau-šal čau-gau-tam-pusha-hada-tugi,
this-light-time-TEMP 1-DAT 1-light-time-bread-give.2IMP-and
Čau-šal čau-haši-pwaučuta-ji-sapuhada.
1-DAT 1-debt-action-ACC-forgive.2IMP
Čau-hwa čau-haši-bul-šal sapuhu.
1-too 1-debt-person-DAT forgive
Dagama balhusama-tyu-čau-ji-labamai-gabi,
also temptation-LOC-1-ACC-lead.NEG-but
Šalhiš-sam čau-ji-jabugada.
evil-ABL 1-ACC-save.2IMP
Duš-hya šwali-šwali-tam-čas wauhwi-la-maji-la-haumala-ji-pwisalu-masa.
2-NOM eternal-eternal-time-TEMP country-and-might-and-honour-ACC-have-because
Amim.
amen |
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achemel
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks! Do you have this language posted under Conlangs? I looked but didn't find it. Could we have the pronunciation too? Not the whole thing, just like an alphabet list? I read it assuming general pronunciation, like /a/ = [a] and /u/ = [u] and /d/ = [d] etc. but I got hung up on the letters with the inverted carrot, and /j/. I figured they were like [t_S] and [S] and either [j] or [d_Z]. Sorry if it's posted elsewhere and I'm just blind! |
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eldin raigmore
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Good Lord, I haven't commented on this thread since Groundhog Day 2010!
Achemel, Kiri, Tolkien_Freak, Aeetlrcreejl:
Those translations are beautiful.
For everyone who posted Interlinear Morphemic Glosses of their romanizations of their languages' PaterNoster, thanks; they're great.
For everyone who posted conscripts or links to their conscripts;
they're beautiful!
@T_F; Would you care to post an IMG of the Latin PaterNoster?
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Kiri
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| achemel wrote: | | Thanks! Do you have this language posted under Conlangs? I looked but didn't find it. Could we have the pronunciation too? Not the whole thing, just like an alphabet list? I read it assuming general pronunciation, like /a/ = [a] and /u/ = [u] and /d/ = [d] etc. but I got hung up on the letters with the inverted carrot, and /j/. I figured they were like [t_S] and [S] and either [j] or [d_Z]. Sorry if it's posted elsewhere and I'm just blind! |
I'm getting around to posting the language, but you're completely right about the pronounciation. /j/ is <dZ>, because /y/ is <j>. Other than the j/y and w, this is basically the way any Latvian person would read the letters. I didn't go for anything fancy, because of the fact that it's just a transcription of the actual script. |
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Tolkien_Freak
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| eldin raigmore wrote: | | Good Lord, I haven't commented on this thread since Groundhog Day 2010! |
Well, it was just necroed ^_^
And thanks for saying it's pretty, but it's not my work ^_^
| Quote: | | @T_F; Would you care to post an IMG of the Latin PaterNoster? |
If you mean Interlinear Morphemic Gloss (more likely), I thought I did (well, it's not interlinear, but still).
If you mean image (less likely), I'm not sure what you need it for... |
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eldin raigmore
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Tolkien_Freak wrote: | | eldin raigmore wrote: | | @T_F; Would you care to post an IMG of the Latin PaterNoster? |
If you mean Interlinear Morphemic Gloss (more likely), |
Yes, that's what I meant.
| Tolkien_Freak wrote: | | I thought I did |
Oops! So you did!
I couldn't find it just scanning the thread, even after you told me it was there; I had to use a software search on it.
If it had been a snake it would have bitten me twice!
| Tolkien_Freak wrote: | | (well, it's not interlinear, but still). |
That's OK, what you did is what I meant.
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Kiri
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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My new(est) Romlang...
Nustr Padr qui ei nelle çele,
tû num siì santificatu,
vene tû rinnu,
siì fattu tû vuluntàþ cum nel çelu insìc sulla þerra.
Dannu uði nustr pan cuþiðàn,
E perdùnanu nustre ðèbite
Cum nui osìc perdunamu a nustre ðebiture.
E ne nu cunduçi in þentaþùn
Ma rilàçanu ðil malu,
Purquè tuù eþ lu rinnu, la putànç e la giùria pur sempr.
Amèn.
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