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Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:54 am Post subject: Lovecraft

That is not dead which can eternal lie,
and with strange aeons even death may die.

Emitare:
Udjarü uzaturiu aruluzjine ka,
ljatue osanemaku udjaluzjeyu udjayu.
dead-NEG end-NEG-ADV lie.motionless-POT-ATT thing\STAT,
strange\ATT age-ABL die-POT-and death\STAT-and.
That which can unendingly lie motionless is not dead,
and after strange ages even death can die.

Japanese:
永遠に
潜めるものは
死んでいぬ
変な時代で
死にも死ぬかも
eien ni
hisomeru mono wa
shinde inu
hen na jidai de
shini mo shinu ka mo
eternity ADV
lurk-POT.RT think TOPIC
die.CONT exist.MZ-NEG (a kind of periphrastic, ~= English perfect tense)
strange RT age [...don't know how to gloss de here]
death also.TOPIC die maybe

Yeah, I did the Japanese one as a tanka because it's awesome. I don't have any poetry styles for Emitare yet so I just did a kind of prose thing.

Kiri · Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 471 Location: Latvia/Italy

sorry for my ignorance, but.. what is an aeon and what is it's use here? Very Happy

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject:

Aeon is the British spelling of eon - if you don't know what that means, it's basically a very long length of time (like ages - thousands of years or more).

I don't know how to gloss 'with strange aeons' here though - I really don't know what the 'with' is doing. It's almost a duration of time thing...

eldin raigmore · Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject:

Aeon
Eon

Technically, an eon (in geology) is a thousand million years or ten myriad myriad years or a million millenia or ...

The Earth and the Sun and the Solar System are about four and a half eons old.

The entire universe is about fifteen eons old. (The article says slightly less than fourteen.)

See this.

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Of course, any literal or technical meaning ascribed to the poem is nonsense. Communicating true information was not Lovecraft's purpose in that poem.
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Zearen Wover · Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 42

I translated it into lojban as so:

.i lo na morsi cu jai ranji li ro fai lonu vo'a kakne loka vreta
.ije ba lo cizra cedra loka morsi do'anai cu morsi la'acu'i

There may be better wordings and such. It was difficult to translate such an ambiguous phrase into a non ambiguous language.
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Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I ended up with translating the last bit ('even death may die') into Emitare as 'even death can die' and into Japanese as 'perhaps even death will die'.

Can we have a gloss? I don't know Lojban.

eldin raigmore · Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:21 am Post subject:

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kyonides · Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 301

Lojban tries to emulate a functional programming language or an object-oriented one? Or is it a mix of both of them?
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