Vreleksá

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

I've done a bit of work on Halm and come up with a much-simplified more cursive form of it, as you can see here. (Sorry it's so small, and that I pretty much just put the new letters over the old ones, so there are some blank spaces...)
Right here

Here is a sample of this script.
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ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject:

Looks good, but it seems to lose the overall distinctive feel that the normal version has. The normal version feels all sci-fi-y, the cursive version just looks like a normal script.

I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison of the two, though. It seems like you'd need some structural changes, and I'm curious how you've gone about it.

killerken · Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Florida

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Aside aside, (actually I guess that wasn't really an aside) when I first saw your script, I thought, "Gross," and moved on. However, I must admit that it does have a certain quality to it. I do like the way you communicate phoneme order. So I guess maybe the script isn't so bad.

I must agree with Tolkienfreak, though, that the cursive version doesn't resemble the original at all. Everything that is good about the more sci-fi-y one is absent. Aesthetically, on the other hand, I like the cursive one better than the artificial. It seems more like an actual script. And I like curvy scripts like Serali
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eldin raigmore · Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject:

killerken · Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Florida

Ha ha, whoops! Here's who I meant to quote: achemel

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

I like to think of the relation between the original script and this new simplified version as similar to that between Egyptian hieroglyphs and hieratic script. The difference is that the cursive form here isn't very widespread, but it does exist and so should be noted. If anyone cares to see, I can post something showing how the cursive form evolved.

@killerken: I don't think "gross" has ever been a word that comes to mind when looking at any language, but if you really felt that way then thanks for looking.
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ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:35 am Post subject:

Considering how different it looks, I'd love to see an explanation of the transition.

killerken · Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Florida

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

Well, I guess so. I just meant "gross" was an interesting choice of words.
I'm not entirely satisfied with my end results either. Wink

And I sincerely appreciate any attention my languages get.
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Kiri · Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 471 Location: Latvia/Italy

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

Okay, here we go. Apologies for the sloppiness and my terrible handwriting. Apologies also for the quality - the notebook I did it in is about 12x15" and wouldn't fit in the scanner properly, so I just took pictures.

Here is page 1, starting with vowels.
Here is page 2, covering consonants.
And, page 3, with the grammar marker symbols and some background on them.

Hope this is helpful! Wink

Let me know if there's anything that is confusing or doesn't seem to connect.
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ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject:

A lot of that is actually pretty intuitive. It certainly makes sense as a faster way to write Halm.

Nice job! Watching the transition from normal to cursive/minuscule is fun for any script.

killerken · Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Florida

I agree. Very interesting. It's like a history of how a script changes over millenia of normal use. Very cool.
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