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Aert



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:12 am    Post subject: Histories, genealogies Reply with quote

Has anyone here created a history for their conworld, like the one in Lord of the Rings? What about the royal lines/important people? If there are different factions/countries/etc, conflicts, influences on each other, etc?

(I'm trying to get this sorted out for a history I'm thinking of doing for my world, I don't really know what to do with it yet though...)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, sorta... I started with the history of a small feud-like land called Navrim (Navrise in Kexyana, but commonly referred as Nayvlone (granary) ). The main characters were a child (later a resentful "black knight" cursed by a fire mage at a young age), a pseudo knight that lead a movement to free the land from the despot that ruled them with a burning iron fist just to try to negotiate with the Wall Empire or Kuzelganze Gaurdyen the future Anexion of Navrim. For the meanwhile, his assistant, King Bloodwyn I or Zelge Myesrines I was crown by the pseudo knight Lioth and forged an alliance with some elves that lived in the forest where centuries later Lioth's descendant, Omikron, would marry an wonderful elfwoman with some weird viewpoints about teaching some natural principles of wisdom and restoration.

Mmm, let's see... It should look like this...

Konrad (single being) - Konrad (two separate beings)
- many unknown generations -
Onix (the cursed kid)
- many unknown generations -
Lioth (the orphan and later knight)
- many unknown generations -
Omikron and his children
- many unknown generations -
Omikron's descendant (living at the verge of extinction?)

It's unknown who (of the two independent beings in which Konrad was split) would be the ancestor of Onix and Lioth.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes! Very Happy Very Happy I love delving into a world's history! Gaeden, where Tadvaradcel and ra cel are spoken (in some places) has an extensive history going back for thousands of years, and covering three distinct eras. Sträva as well, the home of the Hemnälg-speaking kyllahän, has a written history of about ten thousand years. I'm trying to clear up some things and find missing pieces, but when I'm done I really want to share! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason that I've done so little work on my conworld is because I'm starting it at ~4000BC tech level and going from there, documenting everything.
Problem is, to get names for nations, I have to have all the langs done, and they're emphatically not.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of my languages have developed from names I've randomly given things... Embarassed Well, actually, Hellcat is a pretty good example of that, haha. I often just leave blanks when I need a name for something and nothing comes to mind until later - do you ever do that?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't done enough to know if I would ^_^
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooh, ooh! Yes, me and my sister spent ages writing little synopsis for events that happened. You can read all about them on my website. o_O Which I have forgotten the address of... o_O Let me go check! Haha

Aha, here: http://www.eleypherion.co.nr/

And click on the little History link on the left hand side. =D It's not "great".
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might not be 'great', but it's good. ^_^
That's almost exactly the format my conworld will take in finality (along with maps and languages).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that way of doing it. Wink I tend to do a big generalized history and then work down into the little bits until I get stuck. Also, question: is it actually copyrighted?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, thank you, I think that with school and everything, we really haven't been giving much of our attention to the story or the conworld recently.

And achemel, I think it should be copyrighted, because in the UK, whatever you write down is copyrighted to you. I believe. Yes, I found it here - http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law

Which says:

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Copyright is an automatic right and arises whenever an individual or company creates a work. To qualify, a work should be regarded as original, and exhibits a degree of labour, skill or judgement.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh. I was just wondering because you had the whole little copyright thingy at the bottom of the page and I didn't know if that was officially given to you somehow or if you put it there yourself. I wonder if it's the same in the USA, haha.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, yes, I typed the code onto there by myself. I think it should be okay? Haha, not entirely sure.

But hmm, I'm not sure, I'm sure you'll find something on the internet. =D
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have finished only two genealogies, and I have finished the elvish timeline, from the time they left the Timeless Lands, also known as Afrika (the Lands of Harmony), and established themselves in the Ring of Blessing, also called the Greater Mountain Ring (see my map, Éstéa, in the Conworld Section). The time periods are elvish, because they were the first ones, in the Visible World, to have had a definite language and politics and similar systems, although the Humans were the first to come out of the Timeless Lands.

There are, from the first Elves out, two Year 0s: one from when they left Afrika, and the other after the Great War. In other words, they had changed their calenders twice. But, counting elvishly, there is a time period of about 20,000 to 21,000 years, of which about 13,000 years are before the Great War, and the rest after (roughly 8,000 years).

To return to my main topic, the genealogy I finished are those of only three characters, out of about twenty; and, if I were to show the graphical lineage, one would see that many of my main characters (all in different stories) are, at some point in their genealogy, interrelated. For instance, my main (of all main) character is related to a long-distant cousin of another story. I decided it like this because, with that, I can related all the details of my stories together to make them more complete.

I hope it all makes sense. XD
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have, with eldin's help, been detailing the history of Selvania. A history of the Šelavil city-region is also underway.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you want us to post family trees, I wonder? Do you want an image or something else?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Histories, genealogies Reply with quote

Aert wrote:
Has anyone here created a history for their conworld, like the one in Lord of the Rings? What about the royal lines/important people? If there are different factions/countries/etc, conflicts, influences on each other, etc?

(I'm trying to get this sorted out for a history I'm thinking of doing for my world, I don't really know what to do with it yet though...)
I kind of got started on one; a history, that is, not a genealogy. Yes, there are factions, countries, conflicts, and influences. I haven't done anything about important people or important families, but that's a good idea. I hadn't even considered "royals".
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm working on a novel that takes place over 2 generations so there's some genealogy involved. Some of the characters are distant relatives so I'm going to have to trace at least the royal line back a few generations. This particular line has ruled for about 1000 years and there is mention of the patriarch. I probably should create the whole 1000 year line. In this world kingship goes from older brother to younger brother instead of father to son. Father to son only happens when there is no younger brother. Things can get messy (and they will) if there are no brothers or sons.

A lot of the recent history and distant past are going to be important for plot developments, but again, I should have some kind of summary of the whole 1000 year history, to ensure consistency.
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