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Cordelier
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 Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: Conworld: Éstéa Bestiary |
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My fairest greetings to my fellow conworld creators,
Since about 2006 or so, I have started drawing my conworld bestiary. Unfortunately so, I have not, for three whole years, made a lot of progression in it. However, hither am I to post what I have so far.
Brief Note: I am more likely to update this topic frequently.
Éol/Éos/Hyporid (Elvish Horse):
Ruenor/Léon (Lion) from Destari region:
Ulzuru (Swamp-Duck):
Male Bánkiria (Air Creature) a.k.a. Harpie:
Morluöth (Fire Fox):
More to come soon...
-- Cordelier
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, nice drawing 
This particular one reminds me of hypogrifs (whatever the spelling is).
Can you provide us with some statistics of your animal?
For example, is it magical? Is it considered fast? Slow? Are the most of them wild? Domesticated? Can it fly? Swim? That sort of things  |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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A hippogriff is something that looks like a hybrid between a horse and a griffin.
A griffin is something that looks like a hybrid between a lion and an eagle.
Cordelier's Eol/Eos/Hyporid (Elvish Horse) looks more like a hybrid between a horse and an eagle, with no lion thrown in at all.
But it's not just a pegasus -- not just a winged horse.
In fact it has no wings.
Its eagle-like characteristics are its two front legs (or perhaps only its two front feet), its beak, and its eyes.
Its horse-like parts include its mane, neck, chest, everything back of the two front legs, and possibly the tops of the two front legs.
I don't think those are horns or antlers; I think that's its mane standing up.
"Eos" was the Titaness of the dawn. Her Latin name is Aurora and her Etruscan name is Thesan. She may be identified with Hemera (Greek) or Dies (Latin), the goddess of the day.
That might be a good proper name for an Elvish horse, especially if she were a mare and had some red in her coloring.
(Eos is also a genus of lorikeets; maybe cordelier's elvish horse is a cross between a horse and a lorikeet, instead of between a horse and an eagle?)
"Eol" is a "Dark Elf" from JRR Tolkien.
"Hyporid" I find in websites related to Greek archaeology and history, to German outboard motors and trucks and spare parts (axles? gears? oil?) and motorcycles(?), to a StarWars-related site, to the voyage of HMS Challenger, and a Japanese precision engineering site ("Solid Modeling and Finite Element Analysis of Hyporid Gear - A Case Study for Using the Modified Roll -"). So I don't know why Cordelier named the Elvish Horse a "Hyporid"; and I don't know why he named it "Eol" or "Eos" either. And I don't know which of those names is a species-name and which is a propername of that particular animal.
But I'll bet he'll tell us, eventually, or even soon.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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@Kiri:
I am glad you like it. For more information, the Éolim (sing. Éol) are, in fact, dragon-horses, and not eagle-horses, as many of you might think (LOL!). Perhaps it is not as detailed as I had planned it to be... Perhaps need I to improve my artistic talents. Nay, the Éolim are not magical, except for a few (1/10,000 maybe).
Depending on their skin-color, they have a special attribute (I based this idea on Final Fantasy VII's Chocobos). For instance, a blue Éol would be able to swim (swimmer-type); a red Éol would walk on lava (I do not know how you would call that); a green Éol would be able to climb on mountains (climber-type); and so on. Right now, the one I drew is a light-brown one, a runner-type. Aye, they are considered fast, being able to run hundreds of miles without being tired (in my Chapter 2, two of them ran about 700 miles or so in less than two days without stopping).
They come up wild, just like horse, and they can be tamed. It is hard to do so, but once they like their tamers, they become the most loyal beasts of my conworld, preferring to die instead of their masters (and that is why the Elves prefer them over normal horses), ready to sacrifice their lives for their masters. The only problem with them, I have decided, is that they are somewhat like some loyal dogs of the real world, meaning that if their masters die, and no one of its bloodline claims them, they will let themselves die.
Those are the only information I can give you right now, Kiri. Hopefully it was not too confusing (my English is somewhat limited by the French and Creole I speak). LOL!
@Eldin Raigamore:
You have a very interesting way of being logical. I really like that (after reading some of your logical comments on other pages).
To be honest, I just came up with hyporid like that, for when I first created it, I thought of hyppo (latin [??] word for "horse") and rid (from bird, with some letters omitted; if you see what I mean). In fact, I used not to care too much about the significance of terminologies. Like I said, I was thinking of Chocobo, before my story matured... As for Éol (or also Éos), they are just names I came up with, this without any researches of whatsoever. I needed a basic name for "horse" in my conworld, so I chose them basically based on Tolkien's Éo, as in Éomer, which meant "horse" in I-forgot-what-language-it-is-in...
Now, to answer your last question (to the best of my knowledge), Éol (or Éos, if you prefer) is MY elvish way of saying "horse", as Féol is MY way of saying "dragon-horse". I have no etymology on it, for I thought it was a whole new word I came up with in my head. There is no difference between Éol and Éos; it just depends on the elven region in which one lives. As for hyporid, it is, in my conworld, the Human-way of referring to this specific breed of horse (or dragon-horse; whichever you prefer to say).
I hope I had answered everything clearly...
Salutations,
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eldin raigmore
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Cordelier wrote: | | They come up wild, just like horse, and they can be tamed. It is hard to do so, but once they like their tamers, they become the most loyal beasts of my conworld, preferring to die instead of their masters (and that is why the Elves prefer them over normal horses), ready to sacrifice their lives for their masters. The only problem with them, I have decided, is that they are somewhat like some loyal dogs of the real world, meaning that if their masters die, and no one of its bloodline claims them, they will let themselves die. |
Horsemen in real life say "prove to a horse that you'll take care of him/her, and s/he'll do anything for you".
Not sure how that applies to Feol/Hyporid.
| Cordelier wrote: | | To be honest, I just came up with hyporid like that, for when I first created it, I thought of hyppo (latin [??] word for "horse") |
Greek. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%B5%CF%80%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%82 and http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%AF%CF%80%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%82.
It's related to the P-Celtic word for horse (epos), whose goddess of horses was Eponia. (BTW the other kind of Celtic is Q-Celtic.)
And the Ionic-greek pronunciation, ἴκκος or íkkos, seems clearly related to the Latin equus.
But they "y" is "wrong", that is, the Greek letter is an iota, not a upsilon; in French, you want an i, not an i-egrec, even though it is a Greek word.
There's no reason, however, that in your conlang, it shouldn't be transliterated with a "y" instead of an "i".
| Cordelier wrote: | | and rid (from bird, with some letters omitted; if you see what I mean). |
Excellent! The words used to be "brid", "hros", and "thrid" anyway; they got changed to "bird" and "horse" and "third".
| Cordelier wrote: | | In fact, I used not to care too much about the significance of terminologies. Like I said, I was thinking of Chocobo, before my story matured... As for Éol (or also Éos), they are just names I came up with, this without any researches of whatsoever. I needed a basic name for "horse" in my conworld, so I chose them basically based on Tolkien's Éo, as in Éomer, which meant "horse" in I-forgot-what-language-it-is-in... |
Perfectly reasonable. OTOH, good to know.
Among natlangs it's awfully hard to find two that don't "share" some words (in the sense that they sound very similar) that have no shared meaning whatsoever. If you've ever read Mark Twain's "The Awful German Language" (first delivered as a speech in Germany to his German fans), you recall the learner who was soothed by the word "damit", until he found out what it really meant; then, his sole support gone, he pined away.
| Cordelier wrote: | Now, to answer your last question (to the best of my knowledge), Éol (or Éos, if you prefer) is MY elvish way of saying "horse", as Féol is MY way of saying "dragon-horse". I have no etymology on it, for I thought it was a whole new word I came up with in my head. There is no difference between Éol and Éos; it just depends on the elven region in which one lives. As for hyporid, it is, in my conworld, the Human-way of referring to this specific breed of horse (or dragon-horse; whichever you prefer to say).
I hope I had answered everything clearly... |
That's all great! Thanks.
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@Eldin Raigamore:
I think your knowledge in etymologies and linguistics is beyond mine, unfortunately, so I ask you in advance to forgive me if I do not understand a lot of what you are saying. But I like your constructive criticisms, and I believe they will be important for the advancement of my story and the making of my conlangs.
| Quote: | Horsemen in real life say "prove to a horse that you'll take care of him/her, and s/he'll do anything for you".
Not sure how that applies to Feol/Hyporid. |
The same thing applies to my Éolim, dear friend. I just explained it in different, more simplistic words, if you see what I mean. The taming, however, comes first; then the "Éolman" (or Murukim, in Elvish) must prove his/her worth; to finish with the Éol's loyalty and total devotion. In my conworld, the Éolim are considered "the Elves' best friends", in contrast to our real world's dogs to humans.
| Quote: | | Quote: | Cordelier wrote:
and rid (from bird, with some letters omitted; if you see what I mean). |
Excellent! The words used to be "brid", "hros", and "thrid" anyway; they got changed to "bird" and "horse" and "third". |
I was totally unaware of that, to be honest... LOL! Like I said, I tried to create my own words, which I still do, by the way.
I hope I explained everything...
P.S.: I forgot to add that I do not read (or like) any kind of mythological stories. I read some few Fiction/Science-Fiction books, and that is about all. All the ideas I have for my conworld are (up to 80%) my own creation, Speeches included... All the rest are slightly based on few others' stories concepts...
Salutations,
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Kiri
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Cordelier wrote: | @Kiri:
Depending on their skin-color, they have a special attribute (I based this idea on Final Fantasy VII's Chocobos). For instance, a blue Éol would be able to swim (swimmer-type); a red Éol would walk on lava (I do not know how you would call that); a green Éol would be able to climb on mountains (climber-type); and so on. Right now, the one I drew is a light-brown one, a runner-type. Aye, they are considered fast, being able to run hundreds of miles without being tired (in my Chapter 2, two of them ran about 700 miles or so in less than two days without stopping).
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Beat me or something, but I call that MAGICAL  Especially the lava thing And especially because there's the word "dragon" included
Of course, it's not necessarily true - I'm just being silly here
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Hopefully it was not too confusing (my English is somewhat limited by the French and Creole I speak). LOL!
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It was perfectly clear - and feel free to use French, if you're absolutely stuck - It will be a good reason for me to practice my French We'll figure it out somehow
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P.S.: I forgot to add that I do not read (or like) any kind of mythological stories. I read some few Fiction/Science-Fiction books, and that is about all. All the ideas I have for my conworld are (up to 80%) my own creation, Speeches included... All the rest are slightly based on few others' stories concepts... |
I'm not sure if that's the best thing you could do. Because it applies the same as in writing - if you know what is out there, you know what isn't and you can create something totally new. But well, it's everybody's own choice, I'm just saying |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Update #2:
Dear fellow conworld creators,
I have added a few more animals to my Bestiary. Feel free to post constructive comments at will.
--Cordelier
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:55 am Post subject: |
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The lion is really neat! He seems to be very furry. Is Destari a cold region? I don't see it on your map. Perhaps it's one of the places off the map you mentioned?
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Kiri
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to see the Ulzuru in all it's glory - full body, because the head, with the mouth open is... a bit freaky
But that feature has always seemed freaky to me, so, don't mind me
I like your imagination nevertheless |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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@Killerken:
Aye, Destari is situated east of the Mountains of Thunder (see the map), in Bärad. I did not put Destari there yet, because the map, like I mentioned in the forum, is still incomplete.
Bärad is the dwarvish way of saying "frozen plain," being the mixture of the words "Bä(sh)" (frost) and "Rad(ush)" (plain). I did not want to say "Bäshradush," although it would be the plains' full name, if you see what I mean. (Dwarves love shortenings in my story).
And, to finally answer your question, aye, Destari is an area in Bärad (Bäshradush), and Bärad is a country.
@Kiri:
LOL! The full body would most likely be similar to a furry dodo or austrich, I would believe. I am still deciding. The Ulzurim have no feathers, but hair, though they live southward, near Egypt (see my map).
I hope it answers all your questions.
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| 'new forumer' wrote: | | Depending on their skin-color, they have a special attribute (I based this idea on Final Fantasy VII's Chocobos). For instance, a blue Éol would be able to swim (swimmer-type); a red Éol would walk on lava (I do not know how you would call that); a green Éol would be able to climb on mountains (climber-type); and so on. Right now, the one I drew is a light-brown one, a runner-type. Aye, they are considered fast, being able to run hundreds of miles without being tired (in my Chapter 2, two of them ran about 700 miles or so in less than two days without stopping). |
Well, if they can run that much without resting, it might be a real problem, because they'll need plenty of food and water to replenish their energy level... more than they can eat in a 24 hour day and then they would be slower for quite a long time...
Since you said only a few are magical beasts, then you'll need to tell the reader those 2 are magical. Otherwise it would be their very last race...
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| Cordelier wrote: | | austrich |
How's that different from an ostrich?
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Maybe the austrich can only be found in Australia... I'm sorry, I just needed to say something stupid just to relax a bit, he he he.
BTW, who lives in the frost plain? I mean, is there some specific tribe or nation living there for the past centuries? Or is it completely desolate?
Could you please name some sea or river creatures you created? What are some of their most important characteristics or features?
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@eldin raigmore:
Umm.... Oops! I might have spelled it wrong. I thought it was the same thing as in French (autruche), but I guess it is not the case. I will change it now. XD
@kyonides:
It depends. In the Northeastern part, Mountain Elves (Qínengwië) reside in the mountains, with some Dwarves among them; in the plains, it is pretty much empty (or there are rare villages of Men). There are a few Amareans (humanoids capable of transforming into lions) and Varians (Dried-Wings; also called Vampires).
As for the sea (or river) creatures, I am not quite done with that, so you might have to bear with me on this one.  I am still in development of my conworld. Right now, I am focusing on the Middle Continent (see my map Éstéa's topic). I know that I might modify the appearance of some of the common animals of the real Earth.... >.>
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Update #3
More animals are up! Sorry for the very late updates and for the necropost. I have been absent for too long and been very busy lately...
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I like the harpy. I haven't checked this thread in a long while, though, so I don't know if you just put that one up or not. Sorry. It's great how much detail you put in, and the different views.
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The harpies are indeed interesting. They look humanoid, but you have them listed as 'animals'. Are they more bird-like than human-like in nature? Or are they just grouped here for convenience? Or because people in the conworld think of them as animals? You don't seem to have a harpy language listed, so would I be right that they are less human-like in at least that regard?
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WHS. They certainly seem humanoid enough to be sentient - are they?
Nice fire fox, BTW - is that how your conworlders would translate the web browser name? |
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@Achemel:
Yes, I just posted them not too long ago. I have been idle for a while, because of schooling (College) and because I was revising my Elven Speech, which I shall post soon, once I get it done... LOL!
@Hemicomputer:
It is a bestiary (Creature Book, in other words), LOL! I will put Men, Elves, and Dwarves, too, as soon as I have drawn a good artwork of them. LOL! Orks, too, will be in there. However, compared to most creatures, Orks are the only ones who are considered amongst the humanoids, as opposed to Harpies, (yes) due to their instincts, which are similar to that of Elves, Dwarves, and Men. Harpies act more like the animals they represent and are not thinking logically, compared to Orks. I don't know if it makes any sense. LOL!
@Tolkien_Freak:
"WHS"? What does that mean?  The Fire Fox name is translated into Elvish, if you look at the italicized name (Morluöth). The syllable Mor means "related to fire" or simply "fire", and Luöth is translated "fox" or something like "clever dog". Most of the creature names, in my conworld, are in Elvish, for it is the current world power (as is Latin, in our real world). I don't know if I answered your question correctly...
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