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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:56 am    Post subject: Kende Reply with quote

Here's a sample for the writing of Ddamychal:



That actually says "Ddamychal."


This one says "Gan-oáhach gueth í ga-tob. Etheia tal hala ga-somita tazod." (An entire kingdom for a stone. I think that’s a reasonable trade.)




I'll put up a key and handwritten version if anyone thinks it looks interesting enough. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like a cross between Arabic, Devanagari, and the future.

What kind of script is it?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's actually an alphabet, but I made the examples in fontstruct and I wasn't sure how to get the vowels to be diacritics if I wanted to write them that way. Maybe I'll put up the massive changes the writing went through as well as the handwritten style.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you mean "an abjad", at least that's what it is, if the vowels are meant to be diacritics Wink
As far as I know, you can't make any "vowel diacritics" in fontstruct. But if you find out any way to do so, by all means, tell Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I meant if you want to make the vowels diacritics for quicker or easier writing you could, but they are supposed to be individual letters as well. So I'm not sure if that would actually be an abjad or just a sort of illegal imitation. (^_^) Or something.

And if I do find a way, I'll be sure to let everyone know. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to see a handwritten version! It reminds me of Hindi.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
It's actually an alphabet, but I ,,, wasn't sure how to get the vowels to be diacritics if I wanted to write them that way. ...

Kiri wrote:
Did you mean "an abjad", at least that's what it is, if the vowels are meant to be diacritics. ...
As far as I know, you can't make any "vowel diacritics" in fontstruct. ...
If the characters all represent consonants, it's an "abjad", if, in addition, the vowels are all represented by "diacritics", it's a "pointed abjad", and the vowel-representing diacritics are "points" (you can still have other diacritics).
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the vowels are their own letters - for example, in the sample /a/ is the little line with a dot under it. But, the dot could be moved to directly beneath a consonant to form a CV syllable like /ga/, and the little line just sort of disappears. As all the vowels have the little line that could be removed as in /a/, they have the function of individual letters and as diacritics. I don't even know what to call that.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like your “standalone vowels” are just vowel diacritics over a carrier. In that case you have a modified abjad, if my understanding is correct. Are vowels normally merged into adjacent consonant letters, or is it just a stylistic variation like an fi ligature in English?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But would it be considered an abjad if the vowels don't have their own vowel carriers?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serali wrote:
But would it be considered an abjad if the vowels don't have their own vowel carriers?
Why not? I should think that would be the common thing for abjads. If the vowels are indicated by diacritics attached to the consonant-graphemes, then this is a "pointed abjad".
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
Serali wrote:
But would it be considered an abjad if the vowels don't have their own vowel carriers?
Why not? I should think that would be the common thing for abjads. If the vowels are indicated by diacritics attached to the consonant-graphemes, then this is a "pointed abjad".

Yes, I think that if all vowel diacritics had a vowel carrier at all times then the vowel carrier + vowel diacritic may be considered a letter, and the script perhaps an alphabet, or an alphabet-like abjad/abugida.

So if vowels of this script could freely be added either directly to the consonant or to an optional vowel carrier, then it is an abjad/abugida, not an alphabet. If the vowels are mandatorily marked then it is an abugida. If they are typically not written then it is an abjad.

(The difference, then, between an "abugida" and a "pointed abjad" is that a "pointed abjad" is a specific instance of an abjad, like in Tanakh in Hebrew or the Quran in Arabic, or when a foreign name is mentioned in a Hebrew newspaper, while those scripts normally doesn't mark vowels, i.e. a pointed abjad is the writing of a specific piece of text.)

Do the "vowel carriers" look the same for all vowels? It might be a script with an alphabet mode and an abugida mode. Maybe you could post a chart of the glyphs? (but not that wide, please)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsteemso wrote:
Sounds like your “standalone vowels” are just vowel diacritics over a carrier. In that case you have a modified abjad, if my understanding is correct. Are vowels normally merged into adjacent consonant letters, or is it just a stylistic variation like an fi ligature in English?
What he said.


Serali wrote:
But would it be considered an abjad if the vowels don't have their own vowel carriers?
Even moreso.

Baldash wrote:
... if all vowel diacritics had a vowel carrier at all times then the vowel carrier + vowel diacritic (would) be considered a letter, and the script ... an alphabet
Right.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even more so


Really? I never knew that! You learn something new everyday.

So where's the handwritten version?


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