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Is Serali a hymenopterologist?
Or maybe a Vespidologist?
I think she's shown she's a lepidopterologist.
| Serali wrote: | | P.S. Did I spell "Arthenio" right? I need to know because I want to Google the plant and find out more about it. It's very important. |
I think maybe you didn't; or at least when I Googled it I didn't see any plants. Maybe I searched wrong.
To find out what it was supposed to be when we don't know what its correct spelling was, we need to know more about it.
What phylum would you guess it was in?
Let's suppose it was a "flowering plant". Then, what class would you guess it was in?
Suppose you guessed it was a "dicot". Would you guess it was a Eudicot, or a Magnoliid, or a Basal Angiosperm?
Suppose you guessed it was a Eudicot. Then, what order would you guess it was in?
If you can guess what order, or what family (some families haven't been assigned an order), it was in, you can look at a set of pictures in an image-directory and find it.
Or we could look at this. But the only common names with an "art" in them are "heartnut" and "partridgeberry". The only ones with "rthe" in them are "Northern Bayberry" and "Northern Read Oak". The only one with "hen" in it is "Allegheny Serviceberry". The only ones with "eni" are "Evening Primrose" and "Gardenia". The only one with "nio" is "Onion".
Maybe there are other sources with more plant-names, and more plant-pictures.
Good luck.
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Here are a Uniola genus; and a Parthenocissus genus; and the following genera: Anarthria, Arthropodium, and Carthamus.
Here we have to assume that if you were trying to say the plant's family name, you got the first letter right. There are lots of family names with "ar" in them, including Araceae, Araliaceae, Araucariaceae, Arecaceae, and Aristolochiaceae. None of those look much like "Arthenio" to me.
When I searched for "Arthenio" I got a lot of information indicating it was a proper name in South America. Whether it's the name of a person or a place or an organization I didn't find out. Are you sure the label that said "arthenio" wasn't a dedication marker saying who it was planted in memory of or in honor of, instead of what kind of plant it was?
Could you post a photograph of it? Preferably, both the plant and the label (needn't be in the same photo; post two if that's easier).
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Look at this and see if it helps.
If you google for "arthenia" I think you'll see an American politician.
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Serali
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Eldin I love you. 
But I don't have a camera. But I'll try my best to describe it for you:
It's a very big plant with leaves that are shaped like Oak leaves or very similarly so, sometimes maple like and it has these white flower like things that start out white then with time they turn pink then green, then brown. I'm sure the plant flowers because where these flower like things are are green buds or berries.
Either way it flowers at some point. The flower like things are more like leaves when they brown. They are in clusters along a stem. Kind of in the arrangement of Poke berries.
They also grow by my local pool and when I asked one of the guys that worked there what they were he said "Arthenios" And I asked how do you spell it and he said he doesn't know so I tried the best I could many times and came up with the following:
Arthenio
Arthinio
Arthenios
Arthinios
Artheneos
Arthineos
But Idk cause when I Google them I get crap about Greece and other stuff. Idk.......I need to know though because I love stuff like this. I love finding something and then going home and looking it up on the internet to find out more about them, so you can imagine when I went home looked it up and got crap about Greece.
If anyone knows please tell me. But in the mean time I'll keep looking and maybe I'll get lucky. Somethings telling me to look on Flickr.....
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I think she's an insectologist and an anurologist. |
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Hahahaha!
Oh eldin! Guess what! I think I've found it! The plant:
The only difference is the ones that I keep seeing the flowers or what ever they are are shaped differently kind of like this, only they weren't pointed they were rounded.
And the leaves are practically giant oak leaves. They look like giant oak leaves! Shaped like them and HUGE!
But other then that everything else that I told you about the plant is the same the flowers start out pure white and they turn green then pink then brown like the ones in the pic only the berry like things stay green.
So what are they? The one in the pic according to Google is Viburnum opulus Snowball tree. BTW I found said pic completely by accident. But I glad that I did.
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| Baldash wrote: | | I think she's an insectologist |
When you're going to stick "-ologist" on the end of it, you have to change from Latin to Greek; "en-" instead of "in-", and "-tom" instead of "-sect". She's an "entomologist" is what you're saying.
| Baldash wrote: | | and an anurologist. |
So she studies things that don't have tails? More specifically, the order "Anura" (frogs and toads) of Amphibians without tails? Well-spotted!
| Serali wrote: | Oh eldin! Guess what! I think I've found it! The plant:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x180/Wapo_Gipo_Frogs88/th_SnowballTreeFlowers.jpg
The only difference is the ones that I keep seeing the flowers or what ever they are are shaped differently kind of like this, only they weren't pointed they were rounded.
And the leaves are practically giant oak leaves. They look like giant oak leaves! Shaped like them and HUGE!
But other then that everything else that I told you about the plant is the same the flowers start out pure white and they turn green then pink then brown like the ones in the pic only the berry like things stay green.
So what are they? The one in the pic according to Google is Viburnum opulus Snowball tree. BTW I found said pic completely by accident. But I glad that I did. |
I have no idea. I'd have to look through the pictures on those sites I posted earlier and hope I saw what you're after. The fact that you have drawn them so well should help; maybe you could write to the maintainers of one of those sites and ask them?
Look here and see if that helps.
If the plant you're looking for is in the same family ([urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoxaceae]Adoxaceae[/url]) or the same order (Dipsacales) as the "Snowball tree", you might be able to find it in the pictures;
here or here.
I might start with the other Viburnum. V. opulus itself has leaves like you described, I think. So does V. acerifolium. Look at the others too.
If it's not in the Viburnum genus, go look at the Sambucus genus, I guess; and if it's not in the Adoxacea family, go look at the Caprifoliaceae family, I suppose. If that still doesn't work, look at the Dilleniaceae family. Then the Dipsacales family.
Failing all that, I'd write to somebody else, or go to your local university or college or two-year community college and ask them, or call up your county extension agent and ask them.
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Serali
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Wow!
I'm speechless. You know your plants. I looked through all the links you posted and it's not there. I'm certain that it's a Viburnum sp. because all the characteristics point to it.
It looks like V. opulus but with the differences I pointed out. This is why I need a good camera and the equipment to get the pics on the internet. I really think that if I had a picture of it the mystery would be solved.
But I do have a question do you know if V. opulushas any cultivars or subspecies? Because if it does it might be one of those.......
I thank you once again.
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| Serali wrote: | .... You know your plants. ....
But I do have a question do you know if V. opulus has any cultivars or subspecies? ....
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Nope. I don't know a dang thing except what's on that site. And I really don't know that, except when I'm actually looking at it.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Damn!
But I thank you loads!
Apparently mother nature has it in for me. XD She apparently knows of my love for plants and creepy crawlies and likes to throw "mysteries" at me and say "Bet you can't solve that one!" Well with solving one mystery she throws another one at me......this one is just plain weird.
I was at Morning Side Park yesterday and as I was walking around with my friend up the walkway when you first enter the park I noticed these green balls and I thought they were tennis balls at first but when I almost tripped and squished one I pick one up and it was clearly not a tennis ball......it was some kind of fruit that I swear I've seen before. No, scratch that I know I've seen it before.
Everything about it is familiar. The fact that it's scent is like a grapefruit or very similar to one, that it's skin is light green and looks like brain kinda but I'm talking about the skin folks the skin. But they are round and apparently firm but when you put pressure on it it dents momentarily and when you release it it's back to "normal".
Also there are these black/dark brown hair like things on them. It's not covered in them no but scattered around on it.
Another very important thing is the ground where I found them wasn't covered there were only about 5-6 scattered about the area which makes me think that someone dropped them because none of the trees had them growing. Which also confirms my thought that they are edible ( no I haven't eaten any but I have 2 with me now ).
So anyone know what I'm talking about? Damn mother nature for not letting me just celebrating my victory in solving the ID of that mystery plant ( Canna indica yes I have C. indica growing in the park near my house envy me! ^^ ). JK I ♥ nature.
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If it was a plant it might have been an "Osage orange" or "hedge apple", the fruit of a "bois d'arc" tree.
But are you sure it wasn't a fungus?
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I love you. I really really do. It's an Osage Orange.
That's what they looked like. I knew I've seen them before. Only to find out that they're the single most planted tree in continental US. Damn! But what weird is that I didn't see any still attached to the tree.
They were only on the ground and around trees.....but when I looked up I didn't see them there on the trees but that's what they are.
I have 3 now in my kitchen. I'll possibly bring home more. I find them fascinating. I opened one a few days ago at the park. Next time maybe I'll try the seeds since they're edible.
Thanks once again to eldin and Google.
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| Serali wrote: | | Only to find out that they're the single most planted tree in continental US. |
I didn't know that!    They're common wild in Texas where I come from. They're not native wild where you live AFAIK.
The article says (some of) the Native Americans used to plant them as fences and hedges, the way Caesar says the Gauls planted thorn trees.
| Serali wrote: | | But what weird is that I didn't see any still attached to the tree. |
Fall (September to November) is "cider season" here; there are crabapples (i. e. wild apples) all over the road where they fell off the trees because people didn't pick them. Maybe the same applies to Osage Oranges or Hedge Apples?
| Serali wrote: | | I find them fascinating. |
I find the making of bows out of their wood to be fascinating. I had a longbow I made myself when I was a Boy Scout, but I don't think I made it from bois d'arc; instead I made it from the kind of wood from which you'd make a 4" x 4" x 8' stud for the wall of a house.
| Serali wrote: | | Next time maybe I'll try the seeds since they're edible. |
I've never tried that; so tell us how it tastes etc.
| Serali wrote: | | Thanks once again to eldin and Google. |
I am so glad I helped!  And thanks for letting me know I did!
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| Quote: | | ....maybe the same applies to Osage Oranges or Hedge Apples? |
Maybe as there's alot of English Hawthorn berries on the ground near my house because they're trees nearby.
Same with the Japanese Pagoda trees growing outside my house.
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