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Eyen



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Dialects in your conlang Reply with quote

I am currently working on dialects in my conworld and I wanted to know how other people are doing this, because I'm kind of stuck... Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy I love making dialects of my conlangs! To be sure, some of them aren't particularly different from the base language, but others have become so deviant they've started their own branch on the tree. What's got you stuck?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't exactly know how to do it....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the current form of your conlang, and run it through some sound changes or grammatical changes and stuff. If you have an 'older' form, run that through the changes.
Dialects are effectively places where the language went through most of the changes that the standard did, but not all, or added a couple.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have created one dialect (and I hope to make more), spoken by the Nomads. However I am still working on it, and there are only sound changes for now.

EDIT: The Sarsian Tribe Dialect has a grammatical change here and there, mostly in word order.

Standard Hasvia: Hv gaan po ig mg s?

Nomadic Dialect: Hajau ognu po eeg maug see?

Sarsian Tribe Dialect: Cheje oogeney pooja g meg s?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tas was originally a dialect of Old Jinnic, now a language. Differences:
Jinnic:
Cels mts janart eldei sams kajĕs xoes. Dart budena bakena xasi bratrpoti.

Tas:
Celyes manyes janeńť eldes su samyes kajenis ned xoum ned. Dańť budena embakena xeńť bratrpotis in.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see some similarities. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see far fewer similarities in yours. What sound changes did you use?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still working them out, I'll post the sound changes tomorrow. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sound Changes Examples in Dialects

Nomadic

Hv - Haj
A - Au
I - Y
EE - Ie

Dz - Ze
Jz - Jy
Dh - De

Sarsian Tribe Dialect

H- Ch
Z - Ja
Sch - He
Hv - Chej

A - ye
I - ay
U - oo-ye
Z - ja
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those make sense. Good.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it. (^_^) At least you have your sounds figured out - if you saw my thread "guess how to pronounce this" you may've seen how absolutely ridiculous my romanization was... and I have to come up with a reason for it. Rolling Eyes I tend to make dialects and progression of a language through lots of epenthesis and metathesis, and generally ignore grammatical differences because I end up confusing myself. I'd like to see more as you develop your dialects - they seem very interesting! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll post more as I go along, I'd also like to see some other dialects of other's conlangs as well.

Also, a question. Do your dialects follow the same conscript/form of writing as the standard language?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have decided there are going to be 5 thousand or 6 thousand or so. At least I wrote that down somewhere where anyone else could see it. Embarassed
Naturally I don't expect to create all of them. Shocked Rolling Eyes
You'd need to know they wouldn't be as divergent as different natlangs are in real life; they truly would be dialects rather than different languages.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOOOOOW, that's a lot, Eldin. Shocked Good luck, even if you don't make them all! If you ever come up with names for most of them though I'd love to see 'em! Very Happy


Depending on how close the dialect is to the base language, it generally does use the same writing system, perhaps with slight variations due to slight phonological differences. However, some dialects form due to proximity to other languages, through the mingling of races in a given area, and sometimes there even the writing changes. For example, hopefully soon I'll be able to post a language in the same family as ra cel and Tadvaradcel (called la Cel), and a variant of it has developed along its own path grammatically and phonologically enough to be nearly unintelligible to la Cel speakers - much like really strong Cockney sounds to Americans, I suppose.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. I hope you reach your goal, Eldin. Shocked

I'm hoping to make possibly one or two more dialects for Haasvia, but will probably end up having three as more would confuse me. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
WOOOOOW, that's a lot, Eldin. Shocked Good luck, even if you don't make them all! If you ever come up with names for most of them though I'd love to see 'em! Very Happy
I don't even plan to try. I will group them into "families", though; and maybe (probably?) I'll give those names (and other details).
The Adpihi dialects and their families in my conworld are meant to sort-of-mirror the RL natlangs and their families on Earth.
There's no point in saying I have "dialects" unless I have at least two, though, so I'll probably do that many.
Reptigan descends from one particular dialect of Adpihi. Since some of the "people" who speak it will be aliens, and some will be computers or robots, they'll probably have "dialects", or at least accents, different from the "human dialect". (Actually the "computer dialect" may be the Standard Received Average dialect; the "human dialect" may be considered to have irregularities.)

So far I've planned two alien species in the Reptigan Union (in addition to humans and Artificial Intelligences). One is "space centipedes", on which I've done the most work (which hasn't been very much so far); the other is a reptilianoid species about whom so far all I've decided is "they're a reptilianoid species".
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
the other is a reptilianoid species about whom so far all I've decided is "they're a reptilianoid species".


That's awesome. Wink
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