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Eyen



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Haasvia - Haasviasku Reply with quote

Hey, I'm new here. This is my largest conlang, Haasvia.
And for those of you interested, its conscript will be posted very shortly.

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PHONOLOGY

Vowels
A - <a>
E - <e>
I - i
O - <o>
U - u

Consonants
B - b
C - <c>
D - <d>
F - <f>
G - <g>
H - <H>
J - <j>
K - <k>
L - <l>
M - <m>
N - <n>
P - <p>
R - <r>
S - <s>
T- <t>
V - <v>
W - <w>
Z - <z>


GRAMMAR

Basic word order - SOV
Genders - Male, female, and neutral

*More grammar will be posted later on when I get my notes in check* Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome! ^_^

I'd like to see more.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! ^^

As for the grammar, you'll see more when I get all of my notes in order, hopefully by tomorrow or Thursday.

The Haasvian Script (along with some examples of my other scripts) will be posted hopefully today when I learn how to use my scanner.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like to see more too - Is is based on Finnish? The name looks very Finnish-like to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twix93 wrote:
Like to see more too
WHS
twix93 wrote:
Is is based on Finnish? The name looks very Finnish-like to me.
Or Afrikaans?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haasvia was based very loosely on german at first, but has since, I've noticed, taken on more of a Finnish look. I didn't base it off Finnish, though. Shocked

There has also been a major word order change, it has now become OVS, because I wanted to make it more agglutinating.
Ex:
Houdenna pozmag zemehvu.
I think you are beautiful.
Beautiful is-you think-I.

MORE GRAMMAR
Adjectives come before the object that they describe.
Genders:
A - feminine
U - masculine
I - neutral

There is also a particle that is used to erase the gender when there is more then one of the object and both genders are present - e. However, the "E" particle is only used in living things, such as people and animals (though it is more commonly used with people), and non-living objects, such as a table, use the "iv" plural case.
Ex:
Sav Foegela - The Woman
Suv Foegelu - The Man
Sev Foegele - The People

Siv Saagariv - The Topics

To say something is in possesion of a person/animal/object, add "vi" to the subject.
Ex:
Hvavi alisiev - My child
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eyen wrote:
There has also been a major word order change, it has now become OVS, because I wanted to make it more agglutinating.
Ex:
Houdenna pozmag zemehvu.
I think you are beautiful.
Beautiful is-you think-I.
I don't get it, how does OVS help with agglutinating?
The 125 languages for which WALS.info's feature 20 takes the value "exclusively concatenating" are probably reasonably guessed to be agglutinating. [url=]But only 2 of them are OVS:[/url] Hixkaryana and Mangarrayi. The most frequent word-order among WALS.info's agglutinating languages is SOV; it outnumbers SVO by 5 to 2 among agglutinating languages, though SOV and SVO are about equally common among all the world's languages taken together.

Eyen wrote:
MORE GRAMMAR
Adjectives come before the object that they describe.
There is, or used to be, a theory that OV languages would tend to have Adj before N and Adv after V, while VO languages would tend to have Adv before V and Adj after N, so you'd get:
Adj O V Adv
or
Adv V O Adj
.
But a look at WALS.info's feature 97 shows that NAdj is more popular than AdjN both in VO languages and in OV languages. Among VO languages the ratio is about 5 NAdj to 1 AdjN; among OV languages it's something less than 3 NAdj to 2 AdjN.
http://wals.info/feature/combined?id1=97&id2=81 shows 4 OVS languages with AdjN; Hixkaryana, Mangarrayi, Pri, and Ungarinjin

(The same theory thought that in OV languages nominal morphology would tend to prefixing and verbal morphology would tend to suffixing, while in VO languages verbal morphology would tend to prefixing and nominal morphology would tend to suffixing.)

Eyen wrote:
There is also a particle that is used to erase the gender when there is more then one of the object and both genders are present - e.
This sounds very much like a "common gender" or an "epicene gender".
Eyen wrote:
However, the "E" particle is only used in living things, such as people and animals (though it is more commonly used with people), and non-living objects, such as a table, use the "iv" plura
What about a group that includes both living and non-living, and/or both human and non-human, and/or both animate and inanimate? What about animals which are hermaphroditic or which are neutered? What about plants, which are clearly living but clearly inanimate?
Eyen wrote:
the "iv" plural case.
That's a case? It's an "ending" or "desinence", but "plural" is a number, not a case.

Eyen wrote:
To say something is in possesion of a person/animal/object, add "vi" to the subject.
Ex:
Hvavi alisiev - My child
Which one is the subject? Clearly "Hva", but is "Hva" me or the child? I think you'd mean "add suffix '-vi' to the possessor".

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BTW (1) your examples are very good and very helpful. Thanks.

BTW (2) http://wals.info/feature/combined?id1=26&id2=20 shows that agglutinative languages are likelier to be "strongly suffixing" than any of the other values of feature 26. And http://wals.info/feature/combined?id1=26&id2=83 shows "strongly suffixing" to be the most popular type of OV language, and also shows OV to be the most popular type of "strongly suffixing" language.

But http://wals.info/feature/combined?id1=26&id2=81shows that OVS languages are likeliest to be "equally prefixing and suffixing", and O-initial languages are next likeliest to be "weakly suffixing". Hixkaryana, Mangarrayi, and Tiriyo are OVS languages that are equally pre- and suf-fixing; Pri is an OVS language that is weakly suffixing, and Warao is an OSV language that is weakly suffixing.
Of these languages, four are in Northern South America, two are in Northern Australia, and one is in Eastern Equatorial Africa.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I changed the language back to the original SOV...and don't ask me why I just felt like it. (After all, it is my conlang.) Razz

As for your questions, Eldin, I've supplied below the answers that I could come up with.

At the time, I thought I would go with OVS, because then I would attach the subject to the verb.

A before N
A after V

I meant ending for "iv".

Living: people, animals, plants
non-living: inanimate objects

Hvavi - my, Hva - I
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like your genders Smile

Quote:
PHONOLOGY


Do you have a stress rule? Or is it irregular?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twix93 wrote:
I like your genders Smile

Quote:
PHONOLOGY


Do you have a stress rule? Or is it irregular?


Thanks!

Could you explain a stress rule? Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stress is when you put more emphasis on a certain syllable of a word - for example, the difference between:
photographic (the "a" is stressed)
photography (the second "o" is stressed)

So for example, the rule could be "always stress the first syllable of a word" or anything like that, or it could be unpredictable (like in English). Sometimes it is marked (e.g. Spanish uses diacritics: , , , and show the stressed syllable)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haasvia uses both diactrics and how someone says the word.

Like Haasvia.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eyen wrote:
Haasvia uses both diactrics and how someone says the word.

Like Haasvia.


I would've never guessed, that the stress is there Very Happy I would've stressed the aa Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, I've realized over a time that Haasvia's stress system has become a little random.
However there is a pattern, the stress is usually on the vowel, not the consonant.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eyen wrote:
However there is a pattern, the stress is usually on the vowel, not the consonant.
I believe it is a universal that if a word contains a syllable with a vocalic nucleus then the primary stress must be on one such syllable.
And, it is nearly a universal that nearly all words in nearly all languages contain such a syllable, such a vowel, and such a nucleus.
As a general rule, consonantal nuclei -- or syllabic consonants -- occur only in unstressed syllables.

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Maybe you meant something else? If so, could you clarify, elucidate, and explain?
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