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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: TC: It's better to have what you don't need than to need ... Reply with quote

I like this one because its main clause contains two complement clauses each of which contains a relative clause. So it has subordinate-clauses-of-subordinate-clauses.
If your language doesn't have subordination; or doesn't have infinitives; or doesn't have relative clauses: you may still find a way to say this.


It's better to have what you don't need than to need what you don't have.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hosi nv Cohi:
I sỹho fi lio cep fiki ki pito i cep fi lio sỹho fiki ki.
/i 's@~xo p\i lio cE'po~ p\i'ki ki pi'to i cE'po~ p\i lio 's@~xo p\i'ki ki/

I can't really figure out how to gloss it, but a rough translation would be "the event of having the thing you don't need is better than the event of needing the thing you don't have."

And Hsi n'sio, a descendant of Hosi Ny Cohi:
Sŋhui li giebnvi bid giebni li sŋhuvi.
/'s@_HNhy li giE'bo_Lnvi bi'do_H giE'bo_Lni li 's@_HNhuvi/


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's better to have what you don't need than to need what you don't have.

What you not-need to have better is you not-have to need.

I susaml cander nieban shi sucand samler.

What NEG-to need-2nd-PRS to have to be good-COMP to be-3rd-PRS NEG-to have-2nd-PRS to need.

(I wonder after a very long time, whether I would be able to figure out what it meant if I was only given the Eleypherion version of it.)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holxws:
G ord engavacws i jkxc helmv g ord enjkxcws i gavac.
g ord en-gav-ac-ws i jkx-c helm-v g ord en-jkx-c-ws i gav-ac
the thing neg-need-2-adj inf have-2 good-comp the thing neg-have-2-adj inf need-2
/NaI Or\D wEnN{v{SUks i ZokXoS RElmvo NaI Or\D wEnZokXoSUks i N{v{S/


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe
"It's better to not need what you have than to not have what you need"
would be easier?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aert:

Baćy keinjśy ẃrin ginsk śdzălh vrnzălh ginsk śdẃrin.
Baćy ke-inj-śy ẃrin ginsk ś-d-zălh vrn-zălh ginsk ś-d-ẃrin.
It* (be in a condition)-good-comparative (to have infinitive) that (one/a person/you) negative-need than (to need infinitive) that (one/a person/you) negative-have.
/Btʃʲ kɛ.Indʒʃʲ ɔərIn gInsk ʃdizeɪəl vrɑːnzeɪəl ginsk ʃdi.ɔərIn/
or /Btʃʲ kɛ.Indʒ ɔərIn gInsk ʃdizeəl vrɑːnzeəl ginsk ʃdi.ɔərIn/
(the ă is pronounced like air, I don't know the correct IPA for it)

*Things in general, hard to describe correctly.

A good saying and interesting translations; my language sounds like Russian in this sentence Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Aert.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

English:
It's better to have what you don't need than to need what you don't have.

Spanish (lit.):
Es mejor tener lo que no necesitas que necesitar lo que no tienes.

Kexyana:
Ereinsha nayl sha mezaele nin dens Daya sha derenos mezel sha aninsaele.

good-COMP-that to-have-3rd-PRS what NEG-to-need-3rd-PRS-SUBJ what/that always to-need-3rd-PRS what to-lack-3rd-PRS-SUBJ.
(It's better to have what you don't need in your life(time) than to always need what you lack (of?).)

It can also be formulated as a negative statement...

Edisnash(a) derenos mezel sha aninsaele sha nayl sha mezaele nin dens Daya.

Edisnash(a) derenos mezel aninseish sha nayl mezeish nin dens Daya.

It's also possible to conjugate all the verbs in 4th person Galnas, you just need to replace the -l(vowel) ending with a -v(vowel) one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's better to have what you don't need than to need what you don't have.

Elayin uzariken uzaruzagyureyiken uzaruzagikeyime uzarrureyiken.
/elajin Mza4iken Mza4MzaNjM4ejiken Mza4MzaNikejime Mzaru4ejiken/
elay-in uzar-ike-n uzar-uzag-yur-ey-ike-n uzar-uzag-ike-yime uzar-rur-ey-ike-n
good-COMP have-NOM-STAT have-NECESSARY-NEG-ADJ-NOM-STAT ave-NECESSARY-NOM-COMP have-NEG-ADJ-NOM-STAT

Literally, 'Having what you don't need to have is better than not having what you need to have.'

(You adjectivalize and then nominalize to get 'that which' instead of '-ing'.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great, kyonides!
And, thanks, T_F!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And in Emitaryui (a descendant of Kilhiryui I'm working on). The grammar's identical.

Elen uzaiken uzauzayureken uzauzaikeme uzarureken.
/eleN\ Mzaiken MzaMzajM4ekeN\ MzaMzaikeme Mza4u4ekeN\/
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in my four coherent languages:

Tadvradcel
Hysr lam be rwlas fi ss hssth s be hssthis fi ss rwl
(be-PRES better (inf) have-INF what neg-need-PRES you than (inf) need-INF what neg-have-PRES you)

Hemnlg
Sum lorsaa rhittic rhb gyl samnech nu sanmec rhb gyl rhitt
(be-PRES-(colloquial) good-er(n) have-INF what that(prep) need-NEG than need-INF what that(prep) have-NEG)
or
sum lorsaa rhittic rhb gyl sj samne nu sanmec rhb gyl sj rhitt
(be-PRES-(colloquial) good-er(n) have-INF what that(prep) NEG need than need-INF what that(prep) NEG have)

Ra cel
Ia werathi thldh c-cn tlla gyn thli n tllagh c-cn thl gyn thli
(be-PRES pre-sup-good have-INF that-which need-PRES-NEG you than need-INF that-which have-NEG you)

Ualaxx
hhsəiinaagohoneeocunacaa oonaauuuənnaah hhocunaagohoneesəiinacaa
hh-səiin-aa-goho-nee-ocun-acaa oon-aa-uuu-ənnaah hh-ocun-aa-goho-nee-səiin-acaa
(NEG-need-AOR-thing-ACC.pl.-have-AOR.CONT be-AOR-good-over NEG-have-AOR-thing-ACC.pl.-need-AOR.CONT)
having what you dont need is better than needing what you dont have
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some Vaijerīna action Very Happy

It's better to have what you don't need than to need what you don't have.

It's better to have unneeded things than to need things you don't have.

not needed things to have better than not had things to need is

ba deban Attes posēret al bonnan kā ba posēran Attes debet pere.

ba deb-an Att-es posēr-et al bonn-an kā ba posēr-an Att-es deb-et per-e

NEG need-ADJ thing-PL.ACC have-INF more good-ADJ than NEG have-ADJ thing-PL.ACC need-INF be-3
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Badr es setf bmsf bnotf semsf.

good-COMP is being-4PS.DAT NEG-being-OPT-pres.pass.participle-4PS.DAT being-OPT-ABL-4PS.DAT NEG-be-pres.pass.participle-4PS.DAT
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