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Tolkien_Freak
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IDK if there's any good way to gloss that 'so-'. What's EPIS?
What's the effect of the combination of present-commencement and past-completion tenses like that? I'm not sure I quite get it. |
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Hemicomputer
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Tolkien_Freak wrote: | IDK if there's any good way to gloss that 'so-'. What's EPIS?
What's the effect of the combination of present-commencement and past-completion tenses like that? I'm not sure I quite get it. |
EPIS is epistemic modality. It indicates that something is likely or expected to happen. The present-commencement and past-completion is used to indicate something happening very recently.
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Tolkien_Freak
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Ah, I get it.
| Quote: | | The present-commencement and past-completion is used to indicate something happening very recently. |
So it's like 'just now'? |
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Hemicomputer
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| Tolkien_Freak wrote: |
| Quote: | | The present-commencement and past-completion is used to indicate something happening very recently. |
So it's like 'just now'? |
Yeah, that's probably a better way to translate it. *goes to revise translation*
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kyonides
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I have 2 stories in Kexyana only and of course the grammar booklets and the dictionaries... One of the stories is the weird letter I posted some time ago and the other one is a transliteration of an unfinished Pokemon / Transformers cross over fanfiction...
Well, I also translated the first 4 verses of the Book of Revelation...
When I was younger I tried to make a Germanic conlang that sounded a bit like Italian sometimes. I was about 11 to 12 years old...
By the way, Kexyana has 2 new terms with similar, opposite definitions...
elinkeuzei - to love somebody because he or she hates you
keuzelinai - to hate somebody because he or she loves you
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eldin raigmore
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| Hemicomputer wrote: | | EPIS is epistemic modality. It indicates that something is likely or expected to happen. |
"Epistemic modality" has to do with all those sorts of modalities or modes or moods which communicate answers to the questions "Just how sure are you, anyway?" and/or "How can you be so sure?". It's about knowledge or the lack of it, and/or about certainty or the lack of it.
The particular epistemic mood you've labeled "EPIS" is "strong epistemic modality"; it indicates the speaker is pretty certain what s/he says is true, and/or has plenty of evidence that it is true. It would be like "beyond a reasonable doubt".
A "medium epistemic modality" would be like "a preponderance of credible evidence"; somewhat short of absolute proof, but still enough to feel fairly safe adopting it as a working hypothesis.
A "weak epistemic modality" would indicate that the speaker had little certainty and/or little evidence to support his/her statement. It would be like enough evidence to indict; or enough to make it important not to rule it out without further investigation.
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In linguistics epistemic modality is usually contrasted to "Deontic modality". Deontic modality communicates a degree of obligation.
"Strong deontic modality" communicates obligation.
"Weak deontic modality" communicates permission.
"Medium deontic modality" is somewhere between; it would be better in the speaker's opinion, or more consistent with the addressee's duty, for the addressee to do as the speaker says, but the speaker is not implying the addressee isn't allowed to do otherwise.
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Epistemology is a branch of philosophy; it has to do with whether or not someone knows something, and how and when one can say one does know. Essentially, if you know something, you believe it and it is true; but if you believe something which happens to be true, but you have no sufficient reason to believe it, you don't "know" it, you just guessed lucky.
Ethics is a different branch of philosophy, and deontics occurs throughout ethics. There are some things one must (in an ethical sense) do, and some things one must (in an ethical sense) not do. And there are things one may do but also may not do.
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In logic, there is a sub-study called "modal logic", which has to do with "alethic modality". "Alethic modality" is about;
* things that are necessarily true (would have to be true in any possible world);
* things that are possible, whether or not they actually are true;
* things that happen to be true, whether or not they really must be true.
These are called "Necessitive mode", "Problematic mode", and "Assertoric mode".
It's not clear how these apply in linguistics.
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It's also not clear how probability applies in linguistics, or is connected to any of those types of mode/mood/modality.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| eldin raigmore wrote: | | The particular epistemic mood you've labeled "EPIS" is "strong epistemic modality"; it indicates the speaker is pretty certain what s/he says is true, and/or has plenty of evidence that it is true. It would be like "beyond a reasonable doubt". |
I see. Thanks for clearing up my foolishness.
| eldin raigmore wrote: | A "medium epistemic modality" would be like "a preponderance of credible evidence"; somewhat short of absolute proof, but still enough to feel fairly safe adopting it as a working hypothesis.
A "weak epistemic modality" would indicate that the speaker had little certainty and/or little evidence to support his/her statement. It would be like enough evidence to indict; or enough to make it important not to rule it out without further investigation. |
Those sound interesting. Maybe I'll add some of them.
| eldin raigmore wrote: | In linguistics epistemic modality is usually contrasted to "Deontic modality". Deontic modality communicates a degree of obligation.
"Strong deontic modality" communicates obligation.
"Weak deontic modality" communicates permission.
"Medium deontic modality" is somewhere between; it would be better in the speaker's opinion, or more consistent with the addressee's duty, for the addressee to do as the speaker says, but the speaker is not implying the addressee isn't allowed to do otherwise. |
Yes I have a strong Deontic as well. Again, maybe I'll add a weak or medium Deontic.
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