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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject: Jinnic Reply with quote

I figured I'd create a thread for Jinnic because there hasn't been any thread about it yet, and it's the one I use most.

Jinnic is a language descended from Proto-Indo-European, although unrelated to the other branches It also borrows from my other conlangs, so I suppose a group of lost Proto-Indo-Europeans somehow magically appeared on ejl in Kanvokam and Listan Province, or something like that. I haven't worked out the details yet.
The phonemes are:

/m n p b t d k g f v s z S Z s\ x G h r l tS dZ r\ j w i y 1 u e 2 o a/ m n p b t d k g f v s z č x ğ h r l c j ř j w i u e o a Jinnic has five tones - mid, high, low, falling, and rising. High is indicated by an acute accent, low by a grave, rising by a caron, and falling by a circumflex. If a letter that already has a diacritic has a tone that requires another diacritic, the tone-marked letter is wriiten beside the other diacritic-marked letter (e.g. , , ) Jinnic also has length distinction, with short and long vowels.
The cluster čs is commonly pronounced as z\. I and u are pronounced as /j/ and /w/ between vowels - the script has no letters for /j/ and /w/, because they can be marked with the letters for /i/ and /u/.

Primary stress falls on the penultimate syllable of the head morpheme in a word, followed by secondary stress on the first syllable of other morphemes. So a word like "sustemils" girls' schools in the dative case plural would be /%su"stemil%u_Hs/

Jinnic is VSO! Adjectives come after their nouns, and adverbs come after their verbs, but in compound words, modifiers usually come first.

Nouns have 11 cases - nominative, genitive, accusative, dative, locative, ablative, vocative, instrumental, comitative, essive, and translative. There are animate and inanimate noun classes. There are three numbers: singular, paucal (coming from PIE dual), and plural. Dative and locative have the same form in animate nouns, nominative and accusative have same form in inanimate nouns. The first 8 are original PIE cases. The comitative case comes from the postposition "sem", meaning "with", of pre-Old Jinnic. The essive comes from "bunt", meaning "being", in pre-Old Jinnic. The translative comes from "benint", meaning "becoming", in pre-Old Jinnic.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks cool. I'd like to see more on the PIE > Jinnic transition (sound changes and stuff also).
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Verbs have indicative, subjunctive, optative, imperative, and intensive moods. They have present, recent past, distant past, recent future, and distant future tenses. There is an inclusive-exclusive distinction in first-person paucal and plural forms and a proximate-obviative distiction in third-person paucal and dual forms. There is a progressive aspect. Verbs also have an ending that indicates hearsay evidentiality.

EDIT: Tolkien_Freak, I just finished detailing the sound changes from PIE to Proto-Jinnic. Next to come - proto-Jinnic to Old Jinnic.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't wait to see those sound changes.

I'm also curious on how you've pulled all those moods and tenses out of PIE.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

S-stem noun declensions can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/24168246@N08/3643197522/.

The recent past tense came from the PJ (Proto-Jinnic) aorist, the distant from the PJ perfect. The recent future came from a prefix related to the Ancient Greek ε-, but instead of marking the imperfect, it marks the future. The distant future nowadays comes from making it high tone, which in Old Jinnic meant lengthening it.

The intensive mood was an innovation, formed by reduplicating the first consonant with a -u- vowel - lulibt for libt (libt means I love you).

The progressive aspect was also an innovation, formed by reduplicating the first consonant with an -a- vowel - lalibt for libt.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesomesauce. All the transitions make perfect sense, too.
Nice lang.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I'm not the only one that says awesomesauce! Wonderful.

I'm putting the sound change list onto the 'puter right now, by the way. Don't log off yet.

EDIT: I have the consonant sound changes up. Will e-mail to those interested.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Expressing interest. (Do you have my email address?)

And I just started saying awesomesauce 'cause it's awesomesauce.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've e-mailed it to T_F.

Vowel changes up in a minute.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you sent stuff before, so that's not a problem ^_^
That's why I checked, in case you'd deleted it or something.

Nice and straightforward sound changes. I'd like to see some examples of them in action.

Awaiting vowels!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vowels sent.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like 'em. Can I see some PIE > Old Jinnic word conversions?

(And what did the text in the email mean?)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was in a long-obsolete conlang. Something about terrorists needing to be searched fully until the war is over, I can't even remember. It was my signature. And I'm in the process of posting some Proto-Jinnic side-by-side with PIE. But first, a forgotten sound change: eu in PIE makes PJ .
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I actually noticed that wasn't there.
Interesting sig thing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an example of sound changes. An example of PIE: To rḗḱs h1est. So n̥putlos h1est. So rēḱs shnum wel(e)t. S ts(j)o ǵʰeutrm̥ (e)pr̥ḱsḱet: "Shxnus moi ǵn̥h1jotām!" So ǵʰeutēr tom rḗǵm̥ weukʷet: "Ihxgeswo deiwm Wrunom". So rḗḱs deiwm Werunom h4po-sesore nu deiwm ()ihxgeto. "ḱludʰ moi, phater Werune!" Deiws Wrunos km̥ta diws gʷehat. "Kʷd welsi?" "Wlmi sxnum." "Td h1stu", wukʷet louks deiwos Werunos. Rēǵs ptniha shnum gegonh1e.

Proto-Jinnic: To rēys iest. So nputlos iest. So rēys sonum ewelt. So tosyo ihterm prcet: "Sonus mai inejotām!" So yter tom rēim ewkut: "Yayeswo dīwom Werunom." So rēys dīwom Werunom po-sesore nu dīwom yayeto. "Iludi mai, poter Werune!" Dīwos Werunos kumta diwos egt. "Kid welsi?" "Welmi sonum." "Tod ēstu", wkut lūkos dīwos Werunos. Rēgos potn sonum yeyonē.

I recorded this for the detriment of everyone's ears and the benefit of everyone's minds.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=f79a34e301866d6ad2db6fb9a8902bda

And on the file, the double vowels (aa, ee, ii, etc.) are supposed to represent long vowels. I was just too lazy for the macron - 'tain't on US-International.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Proto-Jinnic still retains the IE feel, but certainly looks distinct from any lang I'm aware of. Looks awesome.

I've got to go to bed now, TTYL
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was meant to be rather distinct.

And I probably should go to bed too.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aeetlrcreejl wrote:
I have the consonant sound changes up. Will e-mail to those interested.
Expressing interest, also! Really like what you've got here, neat take on the IE family.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I don't know your e-mail address, so I'd like it if you could PM me your e-mail address.
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