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killerken



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:52 am    Post subject: Books of language Reply with quote

I started a topic about computerized records, so here's one about good old fashioned books. I usually write Fỉðâs' rules, vocab, translations, etc in spiral notebooks, but I decided to take it up a notch when I was in Barnes & Noble earlier today. So I bought this!

The awesome thing is, you can take the cover off and reuse it after you fill the pages. Very economical.


How do you guys keep track of your languages? Do you have formidable tomes, or is it all computerized?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now THAT is a cool notebook. (WANT)

All my stuff is in the computer. (I find spreadsheets perfect for what I need.) I printed some stuff out tonight because I'm going to have some long periods of computer-access-less boredom next week, so I figured I might as well use it for something productive.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, that notebook is awesome.

Most of my languages are partially on the computer, partially on the forum and partially in my head. My new, yet-to-be-revealed project Gaupasa (previously mentioned), is being chronicled in it's own spiral notebook.


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killerken



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I'm going up to Indiana for a family reunion, so I figured I may as well buy myself a present to give me something to do during the down time. I love writing stuff down. It seems so much more tangible and meaningful than typing it into a spreadsheet or doc. I had my vocab on the computer a while ago, but I stopped adding to it months ago. I just didn't like it for some reason.

Edit: Just saw your post, Hemicomputer. We eagerly await your unveiling! Surprised
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

killerken wrote:
Edit: Just saw your post, Hemicomputer. We eagerly await your unveiling! Surprised
I eagerly await being ready to unveil it!
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Tolkien_Freak



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. I honestly prefer using computers, maybe it's because they offer so much mutability after-the-fact. Plus most of the tables and stuff I have don't want to fit on to 8.5x11 paper already, so I probably wouldn't do so well trying to write them on it. I'll do my best this week though ^_^

Agreed that having it in print is more meaningful though. I just want to wait until I'm sure I have what I want before I print it, my mind seems to consider 'set on paper' similar to 'set in stone'.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I know what you mean. My earlier notebooks are train wrecks. The majority of the grammatical stuff is crossed out. Here's a picture of the first page of grammatical rules I laid down two years ago. The only thing that's still true is the part in the middle about no genders.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Razz Nice. (And I agree with you on your sentiment about genders. No KM language will ever have them. EVER.)

EDIT: Partially, I bet I like computers more because you can erase all traces of earlier revisions. I'm always irrationally embarrassed to look at old ideas I've changed.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great! And thank you for agreeing with me! Razz

With that bit of cleverness (...) I must bid you all adieu. Time to hit the hay.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep all my conlang samples in notebooks. I've filled 6 of them so far. The one time I tried putting stuff on the computer, it got deleted - no going back there for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always use notebooks. I use them all the time anyway, for writing down things that popinto my head or for drawing pictures, but I write a lot anyway, in journals.

I like writing down the information on my conlang because you can always go back and look at it,you have the date you wrote it on (if you're like me), and you have all records of it, so you can see how it's changed.

If I know I wrote something down (like direct and indirect objects), but I can't find the page, or I find the page and what I wrote doesn't make sense to me anymore, I change it and write it down again. Because of this, the stuff that doesn't make sense and the really difficult stuff tends to not survive.

Plus, I just love the act of writing and looking at my handwriting and the wet ink on the page. And if I write it down I can usually remember where I was when I wrote it down if I look at the page again, which is helpful.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That notebook is beyond amazing: it's supercalahoweveryouspelltherestofit!!! Very Happy I want it too...

I tend to have spontaneous bouts of language creativity when I have a lot of time to think (e.g. when I'm at work) or when I'm bored (e.g. in class) so I end up writing ideas down, but then I usually tranfer them into my computer and then transfer them again to a thumb drive for safekeeping. Actually, all my older languages are on floppies, which are now so obscure I can't even put a floppy drive into my laptop to copy the info directly... so I have to type it all out again. Rolling Eyes A pain in the bahooty but what can you do?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also
imdamoos wrote:
I like writing down the information on my conlang because you can always go back and look at it,you have the date you wrote it on (if you're like me), and you have all records of it, so you can see how it's changed.


Putting the date down is a good idea... I might start doing that myself.


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Plus, I just love the act of writing and looking at my handwriting and the wet ink on the page. And if I write it down I can usually remember where I was when I wrote it down if I look at the page again, which is helpful.


I totally feel that. Not so much looking at my handwriting because mine is absolutely horrendous, but the rest of it is so yes, I agree. (^_^)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
That notebook is beyond amazing: it's supercalahoweveryouspelltherestofit!!! Very Happy


Supercallifragilisticexpialidocious. (Don't ask me why I know.)

I should probably save my stuff off onto a flash drive too.

@achemel: You have langs on floppies? Dang!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impressive spelling, Tolkien_freak! And I totally agree with you guys about the level of attachedness you get by writing stuff.
Man, floppies...I remember in elementary school we actually had the 5" floppies that were actually floppy. THOSE things were crazy!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
achemel wrote:
That notebook is beyond amazing: it's supercalahoweveryouspelltherestofit!!! Very Happy


Supercallifragilisticexpialidocious. (Don't ask me why I know.)

I should probably save my stuff off onto a flash drive too.

@achemel: You have langs on floppies? Dang!


1. Thank you! I knew it was something like that. Razz
2. It's quite convenient - my roommate this past year had 3 or 4 of them as well as an external hard drive for all her stuff. (^_^)
3. ...Yes... I have a desktop computer that runs Windows95 (or maye 98?...) and can't handle much more than Paint, Word, and old games like Commander Keen. My floppies are lots of colors! Very Happy Yellow and orange and blue and green.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@achemel: Wow. Just wow.
We tried XP on a computer that was likely much like that one - ran fine on 97, meh on ME, but took literally 20 minutes to turn on under XP.

@killerken: I don't even know what an actually floppy floppy disk looks like. I've never seen one.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hemicomputer wrote:
killerken wrote:
Edit: Just saw your post, Hemicomputer. We eagerly await your unveiling! Surprised
I eagerly await being ready to unveil it!
Getting closer to being far enough to show it off, so here's a small sample:
Reň sorēkitasau gai bihe qo.
"Fortunately, I heard that she has probably just come to know that."
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's pretty well condensed. Gloss?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gloss:
reň so-rē-kita-sau gai bihe qo
EPIS GOOD-PRES.COMMENCEMENT-know-PST.COMPLETION RPRT 3.AN.SG that.INAN

X-SAMPA:
/reN sore:kitasau gai bixe qo/

The prefix "so-" indicates that you are happy about the situation. Is there a right way to gloss that? Also, "bihe" is technically sex-neutral. I just decided to translate with she randomly.
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