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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:49 am    Post subject: Just some unnamed conreligion Reply with quote

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Well, I was thinking lately that a planet without a religion wouldn't ever exist if people believe in hope or future, so I started developing the basic concepts of a conreligion. It's not practiced in Alirdyse and Layse because there's some sort of prohibition but people in a Northeastern region of the Empire do.

This religion is based on who they should call a pagan. By the way, the definition of pagan (or heathen) isn't entirely based on the Roman (Catholic) definition. There's a slight difference based on the way they consider blood as the only religious drink capable of appeasing the gods.

These kind of rituals are an integral part of the monthly religious schedule / celebrations.

When these people celebrate their monthly "deity's and lesser deities' day" they sacrifice victims that may not believe in their gods just because they feel like they're cleansing the land from those pagans and their sins against their people and their Empire, maybe even against their whole world.

If they don't have a declared enemy, either a religious or military one, they make some unpopular people from the region disappear and let people think they were converted to another religion and so became pagans. What they don't know is that they never did so, they were fooled or just kidnapped by priests and their assistants. According to some writings found in the Royal Library of Layse they are considered as "martyrs" by the priests because they would die to atone for their ancestors' or the actual pagans' deeds. This is why the Layselke Relge (King of Layse) declared all religious movements illegal in his kingdom and convinced the King of Alirdyse to emulate him.

How they, the people of the Northeastern region of the Empire, sacrifice them it's a bit too cruel, inhumane to explain it all here, but it's rather simple... Some people die after being cut in pieces, younger people do after they're burnt...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your post is hard to understand.
So this isn't really a reply; it's a discussion of the term "pagan".

A "Pagus" was a natural spring or fountain; and its surrounding area. Such places were often considered sacred; for instance, the "Areopagus" was a clearing with a natural fountain in it, considered sacred to Ares.

When the "military order" was on the rise in the late Roman empire, they used the term "pagan" to mean the people we would now call "civilian". They used the term "sacrament" to mean the oaths of induction etc. that made a person become a Roman soldier.

The Church adopted these terms.

So they decided a "pagan" was someone who worshiped the old gods.

"Heathen" is similar; a "heath" is a particular kind of landscape, basically without many trees. It may be covered by tall grass, but typically it is supposed to be covered sparsely by short grass and/or wildflowers of one type or another ("mixed", for instance; that's "heather").

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Would you mind rewording your post so it is more understandable? It's an interesting topic, IMO, or at least it looks like it could be.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would you mind rewording your post so it is more understandable? It's an interesting topic, IMO, or at least it looks like it could be.

OK, I guess I really need to edit my first post. I hope people will now understand what I meant, but it's still possible that I left too many things unchanged that could let them get confused...

I gotta admit that English is my L2, or at least that's what I'd like to think...

Anyway, I guess this isn't a very original idea after all... Maybe this is just a weird variant of some Mayan rituals...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the priests' motives for sacrificing people during the rituals is the tale of what an ancient god did in the dawn of time.

There were several gods at the beginning and many of them partake from the creation of the first human beings. Some provided some important characteristics while others took care of things like the life expectancy or their fate or defined the key events in a given person's life. After the newly created humans started populating their world, a god called Agdrisi, who was actually a three headed deity, claimed he needed something else to appease himself (or themselves?) because the sunlight and the darkness were "insufficient" for interacting with the humans. Thus he established that humans should follow, honor and venerate him by performing the same ritual that was about to take place there.

Agdrisi needed to sacrifice something or someone so he could later tell the humans what they should do to please him. So he appointed the god of friendship, Rine, to be the first martyr in history. Rine thought he didn't have a choice and accepted his fate as is. After Agdrisi collected all of Rine's blood inside an amphora He drank a sip of it and found it extremely delicious. He said then that all the people that didn't worship him were sinners because believing in another god other than himself was the same as declaring the gods as their own enemies. The blood of a fellow god was too precious for him that he'd demand the blood of all pagans to flow like rivers on the countryside. Those sacrifices would force him not to drink another sip of Rine's blood and keep in mind his pact with the humans that he wouldn't take light and darkness away from them. If people didn't sacrifice anyone for a long period of time, then Agdrisi would need to drink all of his friend's blood. Once the amphora was depleted, he'd could get mad at people and start manipulating other gods to do what pleases him till all of humankind and any other species disappear from space.

From that moment on keeping their relationship with Agdrisi in good terms was a major task for the priests of the Northeastern region of the Empire because they were the only one worried about pleasing this bloodthirsty god so that the friendship with the gods does never turn into temporal or even eternal enmity.

According to the estimates of the high priests the amphora is half empty. That makes them think that it took them a long time from the start of the pagan golden age and the first days of the pious age to restore the sacrifices needed to appease Agdrisi. They also believe that the lack of devout people let other gods start wars and spread plagues and make people starve.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aztecs would sacrifice captured enemies. They thought that the sun fed on human hearts, and without enough sacrifices it might not come back. (Does that mean "no sunup" or "no summer"?)
They also sacrificed honored and respected Aztec youth. A sacrificial year-king would be king for a year, living the best possible life, including learning music; basically an Aztec rock idol, I guess. On the way up the steps to the altar he would walk slowly, breaking his instruments one-by-one. At the top he would be stretched on the altar and have his heart cut out.
I don't know whether it was the Aztecs or someone further south, but there were also those who sacrificed maidens; these were honored maidens, and they were dressed in precious metals etc., and jumped into a sacrificial pool (where their expensive dress and ornaments helped drag them down).
Because the Aztecs thought being sacrificed was an honor, when they captured a prisoner he was given a chance to avoid sacrifice. He had to face, one at a time, five variously-armed Aztec warriors; two armed one way, two armed another way, and one left-handed. During these combats he was tethered. If he won them all, he was released and given the choice; become a high official in the Aztec government or army, or be sacrificed? Some of them chose sacrifice.
Because the Aztecs needed victims for their sacrifices, they never had the habit of pacifying their enemies, nor their rebel conquered. This was one of the reasons their empire fell so easily to the Spanish.
Ordinary Aztecs, and extra-ordinary ones too (who weren't going to be sacrificed), would often sacrifice their own blood; one technique was to pierce your tongue, then take a cord of braided, thorny vines and run it through the cut, and then sacrifice that.
Mithra's tauroctony, Christ's crucifixion, and so on, are other founding sacrifices of various religions.
These ideas might help you.
My notion is that any state religion that depends on sacrificing enemies is going to not work too hard at diplomacy; any empire with such a state religion is not going to work too hard at removing the motives for rebellion; and so they'll be ripe for picking by external conquerors. But if to be sacrificed you have to be one of their people, preferably one with various virtues (beauty, for instance; or lack of certain blemishes), maybe it would hold the people together instead.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
(Does that mean "no sunup" or "no summer"?)


No sunup. No light or warmth ever again.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wasn't my idea to make this conreligion a copy of a Mayan or Aztec religion...

About the collapsing of the Aztec Empire I might say that something similar already happened in the Northeastern region of my con-empire and that might explain why they stop sacrificing people for such a long time before the high priests finally revived this tradition.

When I said that Agdrisi would take the light and the darkness away if there weren't enough sacrifices, I meant that he would first make some good use of other gods' powers to decimate the conworld population. If this wasn't enough punishment, he would just create some void that would later suck in all of their civilizations (and, of course, all their home planet) so they couldn't be found anymore...
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