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How many characters are in your conscript? |
16 or fewer |
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7% |
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17 to 64 |
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57% |
[ 8 ] |
65 to 256 |
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28% |
[ 4 ] |
257 to 4096 |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
4097 to 65536 |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
more than 65536 |
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7% |
[ 1 ] |
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Total Votes : 14 |
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eldin raigmore Admin

Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1621 Location: SouthEast Michigan
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: How many characters are in your conscript? |
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How many characters are in your conscript?
16 or fewer?
17 to 64?
65 to 256?
257 to 4096?
4097 to 65536?
More than 65536?
(In case the numbers look weird to you, they're powers of 2.
2^2=4
2^4=16
2^6=64
2^8=256
2^12=4,096
2^16=65,536
2^24=16,777,216
2^32 > 4096 million)
Adpihi's script could have up to 2^28 ~~ 256 million characters, but it doesn't have that many; there's some redundancy. _________________ "We're the healthiest horse in the glue factory" - Erskine Bowles, Co-Chairman of the deficit reduction commission |
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langover94
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 509 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Do the number of characters include capitals? _________________ Join us at: The Renewed Spirits Forum!
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eldin raigmore Admin

Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1621 Location: SouthEast Michigan
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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langover94 wrote: | Do the number of characters include capitals? | Yes; anything a computerized typesetting or "handwriting" system would have to distinguish.
So; "MAJUSCULE or UPPERCASE" from "minuscule or lowercase"
If you have a third case, say so.
Stand-alone vs word-initial vs word-final vs word-medial, if some of your characters have all four forms different from each other
(UpperCase shouldn't have word-final or word-medial, usually; if it does say so.)
The idea is to figure out how many bits it would take to represent a character in your conscript. _________________ "We're the healthiest horse in the glue factory" - Erskine Bowles, Co-Chairman of the deficit reduction commission |
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Hemicomputer
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 610 Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Holxûs:
19 consonants, 8 vowels, 1 voicer dot, an arc-shaped diacritic, 5 punctuation.
Total: 34
Cohkao(new one, to replace Nzoegao):
EDIT AGAIN: It now has 30 letters, 1 diacritic, 2 punctuation
Total: 33
Kae:
Nothing on paper presently. It's going to use "logograph blocks", so each root would have a character, and these are combined into blocks to form the words. So, that would mean A LOT of characters. _________________ Bakram uso, mi abila, / del us bakrat, dahud bakrita!
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Aert
Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Aert: Romanization: 41 + capitals = 82 (26 base letters, 15 accented letters), although 2 are rarely used.
Punctuation: the usual, so I guess 7
Numerals 0-9
Total: 99
Aert script: (no capitals) 45 (4 nasal vowels on their way out).
Punctuation: 6 so far: apostraphe, brackets, hyphen, long hyphen, and a number indicator, which may be on it's way out.
No official numbers yet, the letters are used with the number indicator alongside them to say this is a number, not a word
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Tolkien_Freak

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1231 Location: in front of my computer. always.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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It's confusing to count for Raitolïiihøste.
There are 4 vowel letters (which are notably smaller than the consonants but don't quite count as 'diacritics') and a symbol indicating rounding, but the vowels can be combined with each other to create what amount to single glyphs.
Consonants are facing one way to be unvoiced, flipped to be voiced, and a little sort-of-diacritic-but-sort-of-not-thingy is added to indicate nasal. |
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Hemicomputer
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 610 Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Tolkien_Freak wrote: | It's confusing to count for Raitolïiihøste.
There are 4 vowel letters (which are notably smaller than the consonants but don't quite count as 'diacritics') and a symbol indicating rounding, but the vowels can be combined with each other to create what amount to single glyphs.
Consonants are facing one way to be unvoiced, flipped to be voiced, and a little sort-of-diacritic-but-sort-of-not-thingy is added to indicate nasal. |
I would count only the vowels and not the combinations. I would not count the flipped glyphs separately. The nasal thing and the rounding symbol both count, IMO. Interesting system! _________________ Bakram uso, mi abila, / del us bakrat, dahud bakrita! |
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Serali Admin

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 929 Location: The Land Of Boingies
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Oh boy.....ok let's see:
Käläli:
Has 35 letters 36 if you count the vowel carrier
Lahubo: 26
Kuropi:126
Talari: 30
Namari: 37
Tali: 39
Should keep going I have over 200 pretty scripties to go through.....
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Tobo deu ne lenito sugu? - You kissed a frog?! |
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Tolkien_Freak

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1231 Location: in front of my computer. always.
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hemicomputer wrote: | I would count only the vowels and not the combinations. I would not count the flipped glyphs separately. The nasal thing and the rounding symbol both count, IMO. Interesting system! |
Thanks! That puts it at 16. (Yay for minuscule phonologies!)
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Aeetlrcreejl

Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 839 Location: Over yonder
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Lorošae has 54 phonemes, the period, and a gaggle of other morpheme characters and logographs for very common words. I estimate that 200 of those exist. _________________ Iwocwá ĵọṭãsák.
/iwotSwa_H d`Z`Ot`~asa_Hk/
[iocwa_H d`Z`Ot`_h~a_Hk] |
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Serali Admin

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 929 Location: The Land Of Boingies
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Aeetlrcreejl wrote: | Lorošae has 54 phonemes, the period, and a gaggle of other morpheme characters and logographs for very common words. I estimate that 200 of those exist. |
I would like to see them sometime.
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Tobo deu ne lenito sugu? - You kissed a frog?! |
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Aert
Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Did a new one I hope to get onto the computer sometime that has a total of 5150. The vowels modify a base consonant: short vowels are diacritics/accents, and middle/long vowels are additions on the side of the consonant. The side determines where in the word the long vowel comes. Theoretically it's possible to have 4 sounds in a character, but these are rarer (it would also increase the total to 65000.) |
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eldin raigmore Admin

Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1621 Location: SouthEast Michigan
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Aert wrote: | Did a new one I hope to get onto the computer sometime that has a total of 5150. The vowels modify a base consonant: short vowels are diacritics/accents, and middle/long vowels are additions on the side of the consonant. The side determines where in the word the long vowel comes. Theoretically it's possible to have 4 sounds in a character, but these are rarer (it would also increase the total to 65000.) | Were you the one who voted "more than 65536"? And is this the script for which you so voted? _________________ "We're the healthiest horse in the glue factory" - Erskine Bowles, Co-Chairman of the deficit reduction commission |
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Aert
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Nope, I voted 65-256 because that's the one I'm mainly using right now. I don't know who did the <65536 vote |
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Serali Admin

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 929 Location: The Land Of Boingies
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: |
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Aert wrote: | Nope, I voted 65-256 because that's the one I'm mainly using right now. I don't know who did the <65536 vote |
I wanna see this script of yours! Every single character in it.
MWAHAHAHA!
What is this?
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eldin raigmore Admin

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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Serali wrote: | Aert wrote: | Nope, I voted 65-256 because that's the one I'm mainly using right now. I don't know who did the <65536 vote | I wanna see this script of yours! Every single character in it.
MWAHAHAHA! | I'd also like to see Aert's script that has <=256 characters.
As for whoever has >65536 characters, well, maybe you'd better just kind of explain them somehow.
(For instance, maybe you have 86 top thirds, 86 middle thirds, and 86 bottom thirds. Or, 86 left thirds, 86 middle thirds, and 86 right thirds. Or, 29 upper left quarters, 29 upper right quarters, 29 lower left quarters, and 29 lower right quarters. Or some such thing.)
Actually, if anyone has <100 characters I'm sure we'd all like to see all of them; if anyone has >1000 characters I think probably we wouldn't all like to see all of them; and in between, I'm not sure. _________________ "We're the healthiest horse in the glue factory" - Erskine Bowles, Co-Chairman of the deficit reduction commission |
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Aert
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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I posted my 65-256 character script earlier ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/28228492@N05/ Chamr).
I'll write out a couple examples of the 5150 character script (so as not to overwhelm anyone including me ). It's a simple idea, it's just putting everthing together that gives a wide range of possibilities. |
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Serali Admin

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 929 Location: The Land Of Boingies
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Aert wrote: | I posted my 65-256 character script earlier ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/28228492@N05/ Chamr).
I'll write out a couple examples of the 5150 character script (so as not to overwhelm anyone including me ). It's a simple idea, it's just putting everthing together that gives a wide range of possibilities. |
Yes please! And I had no idea that Chamr was the 65-256 character one. So I assume that they're either more letters to the script or the letters form characters no?
Pretty scripties!
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Aert
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Serali Admin

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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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OOOOOOOOOOOH! Pretty scripty! I love it. And we all forget our passwords to websites once in a while. I should know since I've done it more then I can count. Would like to see samples.
That's why I have a little notebook that I keep them all in now so I won't forget. I'm a genius!
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