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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: thought for a new conlang Reply with quote

hey guys

just a though... do you think that i should channel a conlang? i mean sort of like enochian except not from angels? i think that that would make for an interesting language.

or i could try glossolalia and just write down whatever comes out.

what do you guys think?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Making conlangs is always good.
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langover94



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i know that Very Happy

i guess what im asking here is if its good to make it in that way. or if there could be flaws to it or something.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say go for it! ^_^ It soudns quite interesting but it may be hard to do.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea thats what i was thinking.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If one were to take the materialistic view, one would think "channeling" anything at all was a waste of time and would only lead to crap.

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If one were to take the spiritualist view, one would think "channeling" anything at all to be very dangerous; one is lowering one's defenses against possession, actually inviting a spirit to enter one, with no guarantee that any such spirit would be divine.

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If, however, one assumes that "channeling" can be both safe and effective, one wouldn't think it was a good way to make a conlang. Presumably one will be channeling the spirit of a deceased human. How can one guarantee such a person has any interest in conlanging? Even if the spirit does want to conlang, how can one be sure the spirit is any good at it?

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Finally, even if one does contact an enthusiastic and creative and well-educated and experienced and competent "passed" conlanger, wouldn't it serve one better to develope one's own skills, rather than become the medium through which a deceased conlanger expresses himself or herself?

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I cannot see an "upside" to this plan.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmm...

you have a point. but what about the glossolalia part?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

langover94 wrote:
hmmmm...

you have a point. but what about the glossolalia part?
Actual experiments in which glossolalia was recorded and then subjected to several different styles of analysis from several different schools of linguistics, some done by persons, some done by computers, some done by a computer and also done independently by a person, have shown that glossolalia cannot be a human language, any more than "Voynichese" can.

If you believe it is a language, it must be an alien language of some sort.

Try to detect a morphology and/or a syntax in your glossolalia. Record it; write it out in IPA or Kirshenbaum or SAMPA or X-SAMPA or CXS or Z-SAMPA. Then pretend you're a baby trying to learn that language, and see if you can figure out what some of the words are, how words are put together, how new words are created, what words mean, how you can figure out what words mean if you've never heard them before, how you can make a word for an idea you have if you don't yet know any such word, how you make phrases and sentences out of stringing words, and so on.

My bet is the glossolalia will not result in a language. But you may end up making a "pidgin" or "creole", as if you were a human transplanted into an alien, non-human community and tried to learn "enough of their language to get along".
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i dont think that its a language, but i do think that i can make words from them.

for example, if i wanted to make the word for love.

lets say that the random syllables that came out were "ujevsva". i would write down the words love= ujevsva on a piece of paper, and that would be the word for love in the conlang.

does that make sense?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

langover94 wrote:
well i dont think that its a language, but i do think that i can make words from them.

for example, if i wanted to make the word for love.

lets say that the random syllables that came out were "ujevsva". i would write down the words love= ujevsva on a piece of paper, and that would be the word for love in the conlang.

does that make sense?

If it works, let me know. I'm not making very swift progress on creating my own conlang's vocabulary. So if that technique works for you I will give it a try myself.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is glossolalia? It sounds fascinating.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(2) If you're only going to make conlangs in the best way, I wouldn't recommend this; I don't think it's a good way.

However:
(1) We're playing and experimenting, so we welcome anyone's attempt, even if they do it in a less-than-the-best way.

So:
I, also, say "Go for it!"


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