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langover94
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 509 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: thought for a new conlang |
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hey guys
just a though... do you think that i should channel a conlang? i mean sort of like enochian except not from angels? i think that that would make for an interesting language.
or i could try glossolalia and just write down whatever comes out.
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Aeetlrcreejl
Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 839 Location: Over yonder
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Making conlangs is always good. _________________ Iwocwá ĵọṭãsák.
/iwotSwa_H d`Z`Ot`~asa_Hk/
[iocwa_H d`Z`Ot`_h~a_Hk] |
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langover94
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 509 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:44 am Post subject: |
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yes i know that
i guess what im asking here is if its good to make it in that way. or if there could be flaws to it or something. _________________ Join us at: The Renewed Spirits Forum!
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StrangeMagic Admin
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 640
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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I say go for it! ^_^ It soudns quite interesting but it may be hard to do. |
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langover94
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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yea thats what i was thinking. _________________ Join us at: The Renewed Spirits Forum!
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eldin raigmore Admin
Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1621 Location: SouthEast Michigan
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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If one were to take the materialistic view, one would think "channeling" anything at all was a waste of time and would only lead to crap.
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If one were to take the spiritualist view, one would think "channeling" anything at all to be very dangerous; one is lowering one's defenses against possession, actually inviting a spirit to enter one, with no guarantee that any such spirit would be divine.
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If, however, one assumes that "channeling" can be both safe and effective, one wouldn't think it was a good way to make a conlang. Presumably one will be channeling the spirit of a deceased human. How can one guarantee such a person has any interest in conlanging? Even if the spirit does want to conlang, how can one be sure the spirit is any good at it?
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Finally, even if one does contact an enthusiastic and creative and well-educated and experienced and competent "passed" conlanger, wouldn't it serve one better to develope one's own skills, rather than become the medium through which a deceased conlanger expresses himself or herself?
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I cannot see an "upside" to this plan. |
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langover94
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 509 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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hmmmm...
you have a point. but what about the glossolalia part? _________________ Join us at: The Renewed Spirits Forum!
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eldin raigmore Admin
Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1621 Location: SouthEast Michigan
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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langover94 wrote: | hmmmm...
you have a point. but what about the glossolalia part? | Actual experiments in which glossolalia was recorded and then subjected to several different styles of analysis from several different schools of linguistics, some done by persons, some done by computers, some done by a computer and also done independently by a person, have shown that glossolalia cannot be a human language, any more than "Voynichese" can.
If you believe it is a language, it must be an alien language of some sort.
Try to detect a morphology and/or a syntax in your glossolalia. Record it; write it out in IPA or Kirshenbaum or SAMPA or X-SAMPA or CXS or Z-SAMPA. Then pretend you're a baby trying to learn that language, and see if you can figure out what some of the words are, how words are put together, how new words are created, what words mean, how you can figure out what words mean if you've never heard them before, how you can make a word for an idea you have if you don't yet know any such word, how you make phrases and sentences out of stringing words, and so on.
My bet is the glossolalia will not result in a language. But you may end up making a "pidgin" or "creole", as if you were a human transplanted into an alien, non-human community and tried to learn "enough of their language to get along". |
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langover94
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 509 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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well i dont think that its a language, but i do think that i can make words from them.
for example, if i wanted to make the word for love.
lets say that the random syllables that came out were "ujevsva". i would write down the words love= ujevsva on a piece of paper, and that would be the word for love in the conlang.
does that make sense? _________________ Join us at: The Renewed Spirits Forum!
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eldin raigmore Admin
Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1621 Location: SouthEast Michigan
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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langover94 wrote: | well i dont think that its a language, but i do think that i can make words from them.
for example, if i wanted to make the word for love.
lets say that the random syllables that came out were "ujevsva". i would write down the words love= ujevsva on a piece of paper, and that would be the word for love in the conlang.
does that make sense? |
If it works, let me know. I'm not making very swift progress on creating my own conlang's vocabulary. So if that technique works for you I will give it a try myself.
Good luck! |
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Hemicomputer
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 610 Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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What is glossolalia? It sounds fascinating. _________________ Bakram uso, mi abila, / del us bakrat, dahud bakrita! |
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eldin raigmore Admin
Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1621 Location: SouthEast Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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(2) If you're only going to make conlangs in the best way, I wouldn't recommend this; I don't think it's a good way.
However:
(1) We're playing and experimenting, so we welcome anyone's attempt, even if they do it in a less-than-the-best way.
So:
I, also, say "Go for it!"
"Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." _________________ "We're the healthiest horse in the glue factory" - Erskine Bowles, Co-Chairman of the deficit reduction commission |
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