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i dont see any questions on any of these... weird should they be on there? (btw thanks lol)
**EDIT: i found them!! thanks again
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langover94
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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more vocab.
alphabet= alfabag (stress given to the first syllable)
jar= kaska
garlic= šobugo
red= akai
yellow= solas (stress given to the last syllable)
green= aoi
blue= aoa
orange= narado
indigo= ŵišigu
purple= ŵiole
white= ikigi (no stress given)
gray= siluŵer (stress given to the first syllable)
brown= ešeŵar
black= noar (stress given to the last syllable)
rainbow= ameyumi
noodle= soban
rice= gohan
please= kudasai
dear (as in a letter beginning)= irokaro
deer= šika
pray= okšu
prayer= okšuga
send= transfago
sea= umi
protect= aeukač
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Just a couple more phrases for vocab. Everyday objects.
I love languages!= Yo aičo erop zaburaku!
flower= hana
television= telibera
solstice= dalhu
salt= išino (stress given to the first syllable)
pepper= rrala
king= o
cup= rošaga
napkin= ečei
bush= hanoe
house= kosa
plum= ŵiofui (stress given to the first syllable)
sin= ganaganašafu
earth= kaian
God= Abaro
town= mura
gift= cado
stone= iši
song= malale
heaven= ten
prophecy= šašameg
fruit= šuruša
kingdom= konomači
rule= moŵola
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eldin raigmore
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| langover94 wrote: | yes it was brief enough.
so you guys have all seen my conlang danslag (im to lazy to put the accents above the consonants right now).
what type of conlang is it?  |
We can't tell because you haven't told us enough.
You should give us a morphemic gloss of each of your words; that would tell us about your morphology.
You might also enjoy marking up the Interlinear Morphemic Glosses of your sentences with phrase information; that is, doing an Immediate Constituent Analysis of the various lines in your IMGloss. That way we could get a better idea of your language's syntax. Right now we only have the sentences without translations, plus we have many words with translations for the words but not for the morphemes within the words.
| langover94 wrote: | | to change a pronouns gender all you need to do is add and o or an a. all words ending in a consonant are considered masculine. when making a word plural, add the suffix "raku". to make adverbs, add the suffix "al". |
makes it sound like it's more agglutinating than fusing (i.e. there's a tendency toward one meaning per morpheme rather than several meanings per morpheme). But a sample of just two morphemes is just not enough to be sure of this decision. A hundred would be better; five hundred would surely be enough. And we need the morphemic glosses of any words that are polymorphemic. Do you have very many words with five or more morphemes? Or do none have more than three? Or what?
| langover94 wrote: | | to ask a question, add a question mark at the end of a sentence. to make a hortative and the word "ikuzo" which means "lets go". to make a hope or a wish, add "i hope" or "i wish" at the beginning of the sentence. to make a content question, just add one of the words that you listed, and say the rest of the sentence. (somewhat like in english.) to make a command or request, add the word "kudasai" or "please" at the end of a sentence to be polite. otherwise, just say your request. to differentiate between a question and a statement, make sure you make your voice go up like you would in american english. |
These make it sound like your language is more isolating or analytic than synthetic. But we should have at least a dozen sentences with their phrase-structure marked up, and preferably with interlinear morphemic glosses, before we should even guess. A hundred sentences should be enough for us to be sure we'd guess right.
You're allowed, of course, to tell us what type of language your conlang is. Do you know all (or if not all, at least most of the most popular) the different typologies? There's not only analytic vs synthetic and fusing vs agglutinating; there's also "word"-order type (yours is SVO), head-marking versus dependent-marking, morphosyntactic alignment, topic-prominent or subject-prominent (or both or neither), tense-prominent or aspect-prominent or mood-prominent or none of the above, clause-chaining (with cosubordination) vs coordination and subordination being quite distinct, serial-verb-constructions or not, do you or don't you have evidentials, role-dominated or reference-dominated, and maybe more but that's all I can think of. |
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langover94
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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**phew** i honestly have no idea what type of conlang it is, but i wanna find out so how do you make a morphemic gloss?
btw... i know you guys are gonna kill me for this... what is a morpheme?
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| A morpheme is any small part of a word - in English, things like -s, -ed, -ing, -ism, etc. would be morphemes, though from what I have heard so would things like uninflected words (like 'word'). I can't say I'm sure about that. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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hmm then i cant really think of any off the top of my head besides the suffix "-ago" which is the english equivalent of "-ing". "fafara" ("did") is the english equivalent for the suffix "-ed", except it is not attached to a word, it is put in front of it. is that considered a morpheme then? there is also the plurality-maker "-raku".
a small note.
DANSLAG HAS REACHED TO OVER 500 WORDS!!!!!!!! OOOOOH YAAAAH BE JEALOUS
lol jk
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think 'fafara' and '-raku' would both be morphemes.
Congrats on 500 words! If I did a lang which required me to make up every single word (of course, there would be roots), it would take me forever. Especially the documentation. |
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langover94
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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O YEAH!! i got the morpheme thing down.
and thank you. why so many roots? cant remember vocab?
i can remember most of mine, but if it werent for my good memory the i wouldnt have that capability
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| No, before I came up with the system I have for Raitoliste, I would come up with stuff on the spot and forget to write it down (and end up forgetting it five minutes later). I never got around to taking a word list and just going for it. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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interesting.
whenever i think up a new word i always write it down and attach a meaning to it, otherwise the lang wouldnt be where it is now. there is no better way to make a conlang then to document it on paper! 
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| True. I'm kind of lazy that way. |
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lol we are all lazy that way sometimes
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Congratulations on the 500 words!
| langover94 wrote: | | **phew** i honestly have no idea what type of conlang it is, |
If you want, you can do like the White King in Alice in Wonderland: "Verdict first, trial afterward". Look up the questions and just make up answers; later construct the evidence to prove those answers were correct. Pretend you're a really crooked TV detective.
| langover94 wrote: | | but i wanna find out so how do you make a morphemic gloss? |
See The Leipzig Glossing Rules: Conventions for interlinear morpheme-by-morpheme glosses.
BTW I know others have already told you what a morpheme is; it's the minimal meaningful part of a language. Like in English "t" isn't a morpheme but "it" is. All of your suffixes and prefixes are (probably) morphemes (at least I bet you meant them to be); as well as the smallest no-affixes part of the words, to which affixes get affixed (those are the "roots").
If we have a "tree-bank" of one hundred sentences -- that is, the sentences are translated and are also "diagrammed", with their phrase structure shown -- and we have the morphemic glosses of five hundred words, then not even the most conservative splitter of an IEist would say we don't have enough to make decisions about your language's family affiliations; the same goes for its typology.
Probably we don't need that much. But it's usual for conlangers to decide on the type of their language and then construct the language to match. Constructing the language first, then trying to decide what type it is, does happen; it's probably happened at least once to most of us.
Google for "Typologies of Languages" and read some of the first ten hits. You'll notice "morphological typology", "grammatical typology", and typologies named after people. Look up at least one of each. |
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