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imdamoos



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:14 am    Post subject: Caelaurian Reply with quote

The language Caelaurian is spoken in the country of Caelauria, which is somehow located in between France and Italy.

I hope it doesn't bother anyone that I hand-wrote it; I wanted to make it really easy to understand.


1. Phonology: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scaeradjr/3802167603/sizes/l/

2. Pronouns, objects: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scaeradjr/3802167721/sizes/l/

3. Possessives, articles, plurals: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scaeradjr/3802167965/sizes/l/

4. Conjunctions & prepositions, verbs & tenses: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scaeradjr/3802169027/sizes/l/

5. Questions, prefixes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scaeradjr/3802987012/sizes/l/

6. Emotional words, superlatives: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scaeradjr/3802172369/sizes/l/

7. Family, family prefixes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scaeradjr/3802987888/sizes/l/

8. Numbers, capitalization, -iiná: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scaeradjr/3802988362/sizes/l/
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks interesting! Very Happy And your handwriting is very nice and neat.
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Aert



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm liking your orthography, and way of indicating long/short vowels - very well done!

The rest of it looks quite thorough (although maybe a bit of a downside - there's a lot of distinction, eg. rhetorical questions... but it's your choice).

Good job and good luck!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Caelaurian Reply with quote

imdamoos wrote:
Caelaurian
Hollow-tailed?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick clarification, your distinction between 'short' and 'long' vowels isn't one of literal length (not /a/ vs /a:/), but one of quality (/{/ vs /a/)?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Quick clarification, your distinction between 'short' and 'long' vowels isn't one of literal length (not /a/ vs /a:/), but one of quality (/{/ vs /a/)?


Yes, I just call them short and long because that's what they're called in English.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

English's description of its own phonology is almost 700 years out of date. You probably don't want to copy it. (Just a suggestion.)
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Aert



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
English's description of its own phonology is almost 700 years out of date. You probably don't want to copy it. (Just a suggestion.)


haha yeah - however I did that too (said that /ĉ/ was short, /a/ was middle, and /eɪ/ was long, for example - they do sound like they are short/middle/long in length though) I wasn't even aware that English did this until I saw someone's grade 2 English homework...
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Tolkien_Freak



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aert wrote:
haha yeah - however I did that too (said that /ĉ/ was short, /a/ was middle, and /eɪ/ was long, for example - they do sound like they are short/middle/long in length though) I wasn't even aware that English did this until I saw someone's grade 2 English homework...


I am honestly rather surprised to learn that someone would come up with that system on their own. How did it happen?
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Aert



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just laid out the vowels according to what I assumed would look good with accents:

ĉ a ɑ,ɒ eɪ = a (later, ɑ,ɒ became o)
ɛ i = e (in other langs etc, i became i)
ɪ aɪ,ʌɪ = i
ɑ,ɒ u oɪ = o (later, o was also transplanted here from w [below])
u ʊ ə (and syllabic? consonant) = u
o ao eo = w
(ɪ aɪ,ʌɪ = y in later uses)

one of the reasons for some of the placements were that I had to use only 5-6 letters, but 20 sounds, and preferably, a max of maybe 3 accents.

I figured that since these groupings each had sounds that 'sounded' like they had relative lengths, short/middle/long was an easy organization to adopt. (Later, extra-short, and extra long/other sections were also added for the syllabic consonants, the IPA: breve; and geminate/long dipthongs, respectively.)

In my original notes, this wasn't the organization though: I didn't have aesthetics as a requisite at the time, or much knowledge about phonetics, or anything.
so there was:
a eɪ ɑ,ɒ
ɛ i e (and the syllabic consonant vowel)
ɪ aɪ,ʌɪ
ɑ,ɒ o ɔ oɪ ao,eo
ʌ ʊ u ju
ə

So yeah... lots of pretty stuff that eventually led up to some kind of organization, which I then learned looks way too much like English (having all of Englishs' sounds, as opposed to most vowel inventories)...

Actually, I'm going to see what I can do for a new complete vowel inventory now Twisted Evil Arrow
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. ^_^
Seeing the way beginner conlangs (n00blang is too pejorative) are made is rather interesting.
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Aert



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh - n00blang Very Happy but definitely! My first rendition of Aert was extremely simplistic, but it got across the basics of what I wanted (simple, powerful verbal conjugation; easy to learn), but I ended up breaking some of the initial rules (added a case system, got rid of some prepositions, some other stuff). Ylara is much more a linguistic language, I think: it takes a look at linguistic properties (some very different from English), and applied them. It also has a moderate vowel harmony system (but a small one). I don't really know what I want to do right now, but yeah. Ideas will come (especially from linguistics class, I hope - YAY!)
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