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achemel



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose I could try some translation projects, but I'm a bit rusty.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just been back and done a major purge of all the spammers and trolls, after eldin raigmore pointed them out to me.

Other than that, I've completed about a third of my Master's degree now. Today, I'm off to London to visit some art galleries for my History of Art module which is called British Landscape Painting in Britain, 1750-1850. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've started my Erasmus, which means that I've moved from Latvia to Italy for a semester. Which also means that I've no time for conlanging.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StrangeMagic wrote:
I've just been back and done a major purge of all the spammers and trolls, after eldin raigmore pointed them out to me.

Other than that, I've completed about a third of my Master's degree now. Today, I'm off to London to visit some art galleries for my History of Art module which is called British Landscape Painting in Britain, 1750-1850. Very Happy


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Kiri wrote:
I've started my Erasmus, which means that I've moved from Latvia to Italy for a semester.

Cool! Cool


Kiri wrote:
Which also means that I've no time for conlanging.

Awww.... Sad
We'll miss you, but we'll be glad to see you again.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm still around and come see what happens here, it's just that I can't garantee much activity. (As if I was horribly active before.)

As for my studies, I must say, Romance historical linguistics is niiiiice. (Although Romlangs seem to be out of fashion among conlangers. Oh well.)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kiri wrote:
Well, I'm still around and come see what happens here, it's just that I can't guarantee much activity. (As if I was horribly active before.)
As for my studies, I must say, Romance historical linguistics is niiiiice. (Although Romlangs seem to be out of fashion among conlangers. Oh well.)

Tell us more?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... about which part of what I said?

Romance historical linguistics
or
Romlangs not being in vogue among conlangers?

(by the way, what's the difference between "among" and "amongst"?)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kiri wrote:
what's the difference between "among" and "amongst"?

Apparently there isn't one.


Kiri wrote:
... about ... Romance historical linguistics ...?

Mostly.


Kiri wrote:
... about ... Romlangs not being in vogue among conlangers?

That too if you like.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The course is called "Romance philology" and it delves into the various languages that have stemmed from Latin (namely, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian, Catalan, Ladin*, Occitan, Franco-Provençal, Dalmatian and Sardinian) and also the various literatures written in some of those languages. For the literature part, the accent seems to be on medieval literature. I, for one, have no problem trying to find my way through some epic poem or other... written in 12th century French... but it might not be everybody's cup of tea, if you know what I mean.

What is interesting to me is that in one of the books, which is primarly written in Italian, doesn't seem to feel the need to translate the many quotations in Latin, French, Spanish... I guess they just assume you'll get the jist of it.

As for Romlangs not being in vogue, that's what I gathered in another conlanging forum (which I don't frequent anymore, precisely because of this snobbish attitude) where, when someone posted a Romlang, the majority of comments went something like "Oh no, another Romlang." I for one, am constantly tempted to tackle this subject again and again, each time from a slightly different angle, but well, I am a Romance philologist, so there's that. I mean, what can you expect. If I knew loads about Germanic languages, maybe I'd conlang the living sh*t out of those. (That is actually the main reason why I don't, although I'd like to.)

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*Not to be confused with Ladino, which is, as far as I know, some kind of a Judeo-Spanish mix.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you.

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Hmm. I don't know the difference between Ladin and Ladino. I have heard before that Ladino is to Spanish what Yiddish is to German, but I don't know.

What fraction of those Romance languages are dead and what fraction are still living languages?

What's the geographic relationship between, say, Occitan and Franco-Provençal?
Was Occitan spoken in the Acquitaine? Is Provence near that? Is Occitan basically the "version" of French that was formerly spoken in Langue d'Oc?

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Anyway;
There used to be Yahoo! e-groups for conlangs in various families.

The "League of Lost Languages" was specifically for conlangs that developed out of real-life natlangs (possibly now "dead" IRL), in some alternate history; or, some explanation was given for why they weren't previously discovered in our "real" history.

So there was lots of overlap between the "bogohistorical conlangs" (usually called "bogolangs") and the LLL's "Lost Languages".

There were groups for North Asian and South Asian and East Asian and West Asian and Central Asian conlangs; for North African and South African and East African and West African and Central African conlangs; for North American conlangs; for South American conlangs; for Australian conlangs; for European conlangs; for Oceanic conlangs (the Pacific Ocean is meant); and for other, smaller sprachbunds --- I suppose Atlantic Ocean islands and coasts, Indian Ocean islands and coasts, Arctic countries, and Southern Ocean countries, must have been included; --- as well as divisions like Balkan, Mediterranean, Meso-American, Papua-NewGuinean, Caucasian, Himalayan, Northeast Asia, Southeast Asia, Northwest Asia, Southwest Asia, North Central Asia, South Central Asia, East Central Asia, and West Central Asia.

Aside from grouping conlangs according to sprachbund or geographical area, there were some groups that grouped them according to linguistic families. There was a lot of overlap:-- any European language is probably either Indo-European or Finno-Ugric, for instance, and the Southwestern Asian languages pretty much overlap with the Semitic languages (though not entirely -- e.g. both Egyptian and Maltese are Semitic).

I don't know of any attempt to group conlangs by typological type.

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Anyway, if you have a thread, or, better yet and more realistically, a sub-forum, dedicated to, for instance, Romlangs, I think such comments could be bypassed.

Maybe you'd like to join http://Aveneca.com/cbb ("the Conlang Bulletin Board") and see whether you could get subfora set up for conlangs in various RL linguistic families, and/or in various RL sprachbunds (linguistic areas), and/or in various RL linguistic types.

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I kind of like to mix two (or, more rarely, three) such things. For instance, I might want a language with Polynesian roots, Arabic (or Semitic) morphology, and Japanese syntax.

For me, having two or three overlapping types that, as far as I know, don't overlap in real-life, but for all I know could overlap, is the thing I try more often.

Con-families and con-sprachbunds are things I think about sometimes, but less often.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ladino is a language derived from Old Spanish (Castillian?), mainly spoken by Sephardic Jews (if Wikipedia is to be trusted);
Ladin however is a language spoken in the Trentino-Alto Adige and Veneto regions of Northern Italy.

I think that all of the languages we're looking at, are still spoken, although many of them are heavily endangered (as a general rule, all those that are not the official languages of the country they are spoken in)

Occitan is basically the same as Langue d'Oc, it is also called Provençal, although that name is also used for the particular Occitan variety spoken in Provence. Aquitaine is one of the regions in which it is/was spoken, yes, namely the Gascon variety of Occitan.

Franco-Provençal, (also known as Arpitan and Romand), is named thus because it is neither French, nor Provençal (Occitan) but shares features with both. Its numerous varieties are spoken in the Northern Italian regions of Aosta Valley and Piedmont, the Central and East French regions of Franche-Comté, Rhône-Alpes, Burgundy and the Western part of Switzerland.

I'm not sure I know why you thanked me (and twice!)
Thank you for the info though.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Thank you again, for that last response, btw.) Smile

I thanked you (at least once) because you deserved it.

I thanked you twice because my post was so long that by the time I got to the end I had forgotten I had thanked you at the beginning. Embarassed

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Did anyone here know that "Ibero-Caucasian" has nothing to do with the Iberian peninsula?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, sorry I haven't provided more recordings and stuff. I suddenly got super busy this month and there's no end in sight for at least another couple weeks. I'm still working on things though, so I'll post them as soon as I'm able. I'm nearing the end of my training, so I'll probably get busy again in May and June.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can forgive you.
I was too busy to do much BBoarding or conlanging for most of 2013.
So if you've been out-of-contact for a month, I think that's comparatively minor.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Achemel, Kiri, Strange_Magic, anyone else:
How have you been the past month?
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So busyyyyyyyyy

But we have a long weekend this week, so I should finally get around to doing what I'd said I'd do months ago. How have you been?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been OK.
My blood-sugar is coming down to normal and I'm losing weight.
Also I'm considering baryiatric surgery.
My daughter completed high school; we're looking into post-secondary education for her.
Things aren't simple but nothing has gone wrong yet.

Weather here is much nicer now.

Did you ever join the CBB?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope your state of health rises above just ok. Smile Congrats to your daughter! I forgot it was around that time of year. And no, I haven't joined yet. I have my final speaking test in just two weeks and then the test that matters is the week after, so I've just been focusing on my current work. I have it in my favorites so I don't forget about it.
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ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
I hope your state of health rises above just ok. Smile

It seems to be improving.


achemel wrote:
Congrats to your daughter!

Thanks!


achemel wrote:
I forgot it was around that time of year.

You're not going to forget Fathers' Day the 3rd Sunday in June (the 15th, this year)? Or do they even celebrate that where you live? I've forgotten where you live, sorry -- on the Internet everybody looks alike to me.


achemel wrote:
And no, I haven't joined yet.

No rush, and only if you want to.


achemel wrote:
I have my final speaking test in just two weeks

Tell me about that!


achemel wrote:
and then the test that matters is the week after, so I've just been focusing on my current work.

Clearly reasonable.


achemel wrote:
I have it in my favorites so I don't forget about it.

Thanks. And good luck!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Improvement is always good news. Wink

We would celebrate Father's Day (I'm from Pennsylvania) but my dad passed last year so we won't be doing anything. I won't even be home anyway - I'm on the other side of the country.

I'll be sure to update after all my tests are done! Hopefully then I can be a little more active. This language study's just been intense. I haven't really been conlanging for fear it'd push out everything I've learned and then my scores would drop, haha.
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