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Alien Grammar class, University of Victoria

 
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Aert



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:10 am    Post subject: Alien Grammar class, University of Victoria Reply with quote

Just in case anyone is attending UVic, there's an Alien Grammar class being taught by one of the syntax profs in the Fall semester.

Yes, I will be attending Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay! Cool
Tell us about it?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course I will, when the class starts Smile

Unfortunately there's no course description up because it's listed as an "Independent topic" class; I'll try to get some details from the prof and get back to you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we go - got a draft course description from the prof:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, that looks awesome!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely!

I'm taking the opportunity to start doing a formal write-up of the logical/oligosynthetic language I've been attempting. Maybe I can hand it in at the end of the semester for extra credit! Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be sure to mention Vampiric.
http://artsfaculty.auckland.ac.nz/staff/?UPI=acha094
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes me wish I was still in school, and going there! Have loads of fun. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I will!

I'm going to be asking her (the prof also teaches upper-level syntax classes) about some of the work I've been doing with my conlang, to see how realistic it is, and references I should look into to make it work better.

@eldin: The link to Vampiric goes to a search for the word - which are you referencing?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://library.conlang.org/av/films.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00111YM5Q/conlangorg-20
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2639553/

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/474025
but note she is dismissed as "a linguist" in the main answer; you have to go down to the comment by "by Anonymous on August 13th, 2009" to see her listed as
Anonymous on August 13th, 2009 wrote:
It was developed by Helen Charters who is a lecturer in Linguistics at the University of Auckland.
Evenly though its entirely fictional and you only hear bits of it in the movie, its actually a fully functioning language with a grammatical system and everything.


In http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389722/combined she is listed as "Helen Charters .... dialogue coach".


Peter Wills, Auckland, May 15, 2010, 9:42AM wrote:
A very similar process was used by Dr Helen Charters of the University of Auckland to create the Vampiric language spoken in the movie "30 Days of Night" (2007). Vampiric also has a cult following, which probably scales according to the movies' respective budgets and the fees paid to these two independent creators of new languages. Vampiric has words for some extraordinarily complex concepts like "bioinformatics". I suspect that Vampiric is a much richer language than Na'vi, but the linguists can fight out the pecking order for themselves. In the end it is the money that does the talking.


Also watch the main video; Paul Frommer about the creation of Na'vi

Or, you know, you could go through those search results and find out which ones were relevant, like I just did.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

small update: The textbook will be the Language Construction Kit by Rosenfelder Smile Unfortunately I checked his site and it lists a new ('advanced') book coming out, but next summer, so we won't be able to use that one...

Also we'll be reading from the Klingon Dictionary (which I happen to own already).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the update!
I wonder if Mark R. knows they're using his "Kit"?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update:

The class is better than I expected Smile

The "short research report" is a report on any conlang (I'm thinking about Ithkuil, but I'm open to suggestions!)

And the "Mini-grammar" is one that we make ourselves, which will include sections on each topic we discuss in class (as per the syllabus, previously posted here). So of course I'm going to be working on my Oligosynthetic-type lang, and with a deadline, it should get done!

I'm also taking a class on lexical semantics, from which I've already gotten a book from the prof to read, "The Generative Lexicon" which should be rather useful for the concept-based word formation structure I'm working on Smile

And a phonology class to tidy up the phonology and phonotactics side of things, along with a suggestion to talk to an expert in Salish phonology if I'm interested.


If all goes well, I'll publish the extended grammar based on the grammar from the class sometime in December or January.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look forward to whatever you say next. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:47 am    Post subject: Research Report Reply with quote

For our first major assignment, we did a research report on a constructed language, and I did end up doing it on Ithkuil to get a better sense of how it was put together.

Here's a link for anyone interested:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_8UOanEoO5GWE1mQkZJa2J3bWM

The reason for its shortness was a word-count restriction (obviously could have gone into excessive detail, so I'm kind of glad for the limit).

Enjoy!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was, indeed, enjoyable. Cool
I would think your instructor is impressed. Exclamation Smile
(Or overwhelmed Shocked , one or the other. Rolling Eyes Wink )
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you liked it Smile

I hope she won't be overwhelmed... it was only 350 words over limit Razz

Should be getting the marks back pretty soon, it's a small class.
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