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Kiri



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
At least in text, your English is effectively indistinguishable from that of a native speaker.
Serali wrote:
But but but your English is perfect.
Thanks, it means a lot to me Embarassed

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What's your mother tongue then? Want to know how to say boingy in it.

I'm Latvian. Hence all the translations to and from Latvian in the translation threads Very Happy As for "boingy" in Latvian, there is no way to translate it, as far as I know. If you could provide me with some kind ethimology of that word, I might try to calque it...

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Either stick in academia, get a PhD, and do fieldwork or historical ling research (which I'm already doing on my free time here Razz); or teach English in Japan (or maybe Japanese in America, but that sounds rather less appealing since it involves staying in America). Maybe some of all of that.
You want to leave America so bad?
One of my probably-never-gonna-happen dreams is to teach Latvian to foreign people, but well, let's face it, how many people are there who would be actually interested in investing time to learn the mess of a language that is my mother tonge? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kiri wrote:
As for "boingy" in Latvian, there is no way to translate it, as far as I know. If you could provide me with some kind ethimology of that word, I might try to calque it...

I'd guess it's a combination of 'boing' (an onomatopoeia for a bouncing sound) with -y, which I'm not quite sure how is being used here. 'boing-like'? 'boing-ish'? 'thing that boings'?

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You want to leave America so bad?

Yeah. There are a lot of things I don't understand about Japanese culture, but there are a lot more things I don't understand about American culture.

Of course, I could head there and find everything entirely contrary to my expectations, but who knows. Seems unlikely since I watch so much Japanese television, but you never know.

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One of my probably-never-gonna-happen dreams is to teach Latvian to foreign people, but well, let's face it, how many people are there who would be actually interested in investing time to learn the mess of a language that is my mother tonge? Very Happy

You could always look for a job teaching at a university, especially if you can find one somewhere that has a historically large Latvian immigrant community (in the US or elsewhere). My university offers crazy stuff like Yoruba and Malayalam, somewhere probably offers or would be willing to offer Latvian.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah....what T_K said.

Boing + y

And explaining it I would say "Thing that jumps/boings". That's how I see it.

Boing = onomatopoeia for 'jump' + y

Make sense?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
Seems unlikely since I watch so much Japanese television, but you never know.


Let me put it this way: I hope no one judges American culture based solely on our television programs. We'd look really dumb.

As for the original question:

I'm in my 3rd year of university and I'm looking at grad school. I plan on a masters in computational linguistics, but the problem is I'm a mathematics and computer science dual major, so I'll need to pick up some linguistics courses soon. Unfortunately, my campus doesn't offer any.

Besides that, I'm really busy since I'm an officer of two campus organizations and have a full course load, a directed study (though it's basically an independent study), and I have a job.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zearen Wover wrote:
Let me put it this way: I hope no one judges American culture based solely on our television programs. We'd look really dumb.

Well, yeah, that's not my only source of information ^_^

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Besides that, I'm really busy since I'm an officer of two campus organizations and have a full course load, a directed study (though it's basically an independent study), and I have a job.

How do you do that?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serali wrote:
Yeah....what T_K said.
Boing + y
And explaining it I would say "Thing that jumps/boings". That's how I see it.
Boing = onomatopoeia for 'jump' + y
Make sense?


Ok, so there definitely isn't a word in Latvian... and Latvian isn't really Japanese when it comes to onomatopoeia. So from here onwards I announce that "lēceklis" is the proper way to translate the noun "boingy" Smile
There is also a diminutive variant possible - "lēceklītis" Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not posted here in a very long time. Senior year of high school is making me very, very busy.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have not posted here in a very long time. Senior year of high school is making me very, very busy.

Is it too personal or specific to ask what county your high school is in?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it too personal or specific to ask what county your high school is in?


No. Travis County.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aeetlrcreejl wrote:
eldin raigmore wrote:
Is it too personal or specific to ask what county your high school is in?

No. Travis County.

I went to Camp Friday Mountain there in Tonkawa territory.
But I grew up in Bowie County -- Caddo territory.
(I was born in Miller Co Ark; in 1952 the only hospital was on the Arkansas side of State Line Avenue.)

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Do you think you'll go to UT and be a Longhorn?
Or leave town or even leave the state?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you think you'll go to UT and be a Longhorn?
Or leave town or even leave the state?


I'm applying to UT, but most of my other schools are outside of state, and I'd like to leave the state. I love Austin, but I'd love also to go somewhere else.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aeetlrcreejl wrote:
I'm applying to UT, but most of my other schools are outside of state, and I'd like to leave the state. I love Austin, but I'd love also to go somewhere else.

Thanks for the answer!

Four-year college, or university with a graduate school?

Private, church, or state?

How far away from Texas?
Alaska? Hawaii?
Northeast US? Northwest? North central? Southeast? Southwest? (I assume "south central U.S." is almost co-extensive with "Texas", but if it isn't, it might include Oklahoma or Louisiana or Arkansas?)

Out of the country? If so, how far out? Canada or Mexico? Off the continent? Across an ocean?

If you go to a government-supported school, will it be more like a state university (U of T) or more like a land-grant school (A&M or School of Mines or etc.)?

Or how about West Point or Annapolis?

You don't have to answer any of that. It'd just be fun if you do.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez, not visiting this site for whiles gets me rusty. I really have to get back on track, but it is hard. For anyone wondering, I am an Animation & VFX major, used to be in Nursing. I am at my 2nd semester. Razz I don't know how it relates to my love for languages, but it I like the fact that I can create worlds and put them in visual. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of my time. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kiri wrote:
Ok, so there definitely isn't a word in Latvian... and Latvian isn't really Japanese when it comes to onomatopoeia. So from here onwards I announce that "lēceklis" is the proper way to translate the noun "boingy" Smile
There is also a diminutive variant possible - "lēceklītis" Smile


Yay! Mr. Green

Also anyone get a message saying this forum was deleted due to 30 days od inactivity? I did. Scared the sh*t out of me.

Glad to see it back.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cordelier wrote:
Geez, not visiting this site for whiles gets me rusty. I really have to get back on track, but it is hard. For anyone wondering, I am an Animation & VFX major, used to be in Nursing. I am at my 2nd semester. Razz I don't know how it relates to my love for languages, but it I like the fact that I can create worlds and put them in visual. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of my time. Sad


Surely Nursing, Animation, VFX, and languages all dovetail somehow?

Did you see "Up"? Or "Despicable Me"?
Notice how in the various languages the signs and labels etc. were written in the correct languages?
And I think "Up", at least, actually had something to do with nursing -- don't you think so?

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What's the relationship between Livonia and Latvia?
What can you tell us about the Livonian language?

Livonian, like Estonian, is Balto-Fennic, a branch of Finno-Permic, which is a branch of Finno-Ugric, which are a branch of Uralic.

Latvian OTOH is Eastern Baltic, a branch of Baltic, a branch of Balto-Slavic, a branch of Indo-European.

I gather since 2009 nobody is natively monolingual in Livonian anymore. Have most Livonian families started speaking Latvian at home?

Is any of the above wrong?

What is Latgalian?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so happy right now. Mr. Green

And the last 2 languages sound like love children to me. ^___________^


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Eldin_Raigamore:
Nah, I saw neither of them. I wanted to, but I never "created" the time to do so.

Well, to be honest, I left Nursing right after the first semester (and not to mention that I failed 2 classes by a few points). I guess I was not made for that. But now, I think it was worth it, because I am really doing WAY better in ANVFX (Animation & Visual Effects). I technically tried Nursing, because it was a pre-req for Pre-Optometrist (I may sound weird, but I love eyes, and I really wanted to know about how it works, what makes them so unique, mainly because I needed a valid explanation for my world's Noble Eyes, which I will explain later).

I did not enter into Nursing because I liked it, but because I thought it would be the only way to aquire that ocular knowledge--I was proven wrong. It can be self-taught, as I came to realise.

About ANVFX, I have, since I was about 7 to 10, always wanted to create games, because I have always loved the mechanism and artworks that were put into it (especially since the release of the Final Fantasy V, VI, VII [especially this one], and IX). In fact, Tetsuya Nomura was at that time my main source of inspiration to create my world. Then, when I was about 12, I watched "Princess Mononoke" by Hayao Miyazaki, and I was so overwhelmed by his power of creativity!

Some years later, I started reading R. A. Salvatore's books about Drizzt Do'Urden, Tolkien's "The Hobbit" ("Here and Back Again"), and C. S. Lewis' "Chronicles of Narnia" series. But it was not until I read Tolkien's "Silmarillon" that I fully got into the languages and history of my conworld (apart from the many videos/documents/books about Ancient Egypt/Africa that I have read/watched).

I know that this biography was not necessary, but it all ties in, right? Razz I think it answers your question about how does relate to one another (apart from the mistake of entering into the Nursing program).

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About the Noble Eyes (NE):

There are 5 know NE:
- Eyes of Dreams (Anatomic Eyes/Eyes of Spectrums);
- Eyes of Illusions (Illusionist);
- Eyes of Memories;
- Eyes of Focus (Target Eyes/ Mirror Eyes;
- Eyes of Origin (still a placeholder name).

Each one of them are recessive genes of specific races in my world and contain several abilities that can be used either through eye contact or through other means, which I am not going to explain in this forum topic. Smile

As I said, it is because I wanted to develop the Noble Eyes that I wanted to study Optometry. But now that I see it is not required, I have decided to pursue my own researches and knowledge of ocular functioning. Right now, it is doing okay... Very Happy

P.S.: Sorry for the long post, by the way.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
What's the relationship between Livonia and Latvia?
What can you tell us about the Livonian language?
Livonian, like Estonian, is Balto-Fennic, a branch of Finno-Permic, which is a branch of Finno-Ugric, which are a branch of Uralic.
Latvian OTOH is Eastern Baltic, a branch of Baltic, a branch of Balto-Slavic, a branch of Indo-European.
I gather since 2009 nobody is natively monolingual in Livonian anymore. Have most Livonian families started speaking Latvian at home?
Is any of the above wrong?
What is Latgalian?
Livonia is the name the German crussaders gave the land where there is now Latvia and Estonia. In Latvian history we usually understand "Livonia" as the the group of the lands of Livonian Order and lands ruled by bishops (all German) that started existing in the 13th century until the Livonian war (1558-1583) when all the territory of modern Latvia became part of Poland-Lithuania Comonwealth. If you want to know more about this, feel free to ask. I got out my history notebook, so I can answer all the questions Smile

The name "Livonia" comes from the Livonian people that presumably were the first people the crussaders met, and, as it ofthen happens, named the whole region after them. Back before the Crussades, the Livonian people co-existed with the Baltic tribes along the shores of Baltic sea... As for the Language, I can say that it is close to Estonian. If we believe Wikipedia, there are no living native speakers left but there have been revival attempts. For example, one can buy books to learn Livonian and it is taught in universities in Latvia, Estonia and Finland (according to Wikipedia) so it is spoken as a second language. The reason for its near-extinction back in the day was the assimilation politics exercised by the Latvian government between 1918 and 1940.

Latgalian and its relationship with Latvian is a bit complicated. It is a dialect of Latvian / a language closely related to Latvian, spoken in the Latvian region Latgale. Strictly speaking, modern Latvian evolved from Latgalian, but for historical reasons Latgalian in its archaic form hasn't dissapeared. Its official status is that of a dialect, but many Latgalians claim it to be a separate language. If it is indeed a language, it is mutually intelligeble with Latvian, with some exceptions when spoken.

Did I answer all your questions? Do you have more? I enjoy this, so please ask Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cordelier wrote:
I know that this biography was not necessary, but it all ties in, right? Razz
Who cares about "necessary"? I enjoyed reading it! Very Happy Thanks!

Cordelier wrote:
I think it answers your question about how does relate to one another

I think so, yes.


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P.S.: Sorry for the long post, by the way.

But, I liked the long post!
Cool


Kiri wrote:
Did I answer all your questions?

Yes! Thanks.


Kiri wrote:
Do you have more?

Not right now, but I'm sure I will eventually.


Kiri wrote:
I enjoy this, so please ask Smile

I enjoyed it too; and I'm glad you did.
I asked because I live in Livonia. (Livonia, Michigan, that is; a suburb of Detroit.) We have Livonian and Latvian and Estonian flags around here, that various civic groups put up. I don't know how this town came to be named "Livonia", but I thought the way to start finding out was to find out about the original.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonia,_Michigan#History wrote:
First settled by pioneers from New England and New York, an act by the Legislature of the Territory of Michigan established the borders of Livonia Township on March 17, 1835. The settlers brought with them the name "Livonia", a name that had already been given to Livonia, New York, Livonia, Pennsylvania and a region of the Baltic Sea named Livonia in present day Estonia and Latvia, from which many early settlers came.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
I asked because I live in Livonia. (Livonia, Michigan, that is; a suburb of Detroit.) We have Livonian and Latvian and Estonian flags around here, that various civic groups put up. I don't know how this town came to be named "Livonia", but I thought the way to start finding out was to find out about the original.


So, basically you live in a place where there are a lot of immigrants from Latvia and Estonia? Cool to know Smile
On the other hands 1835 seems a bit early...
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