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Tolkien_Freak

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1231 Location: in front of my computer. always.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:58 am Post subject: Japanese textbook I'm writing out of boredom |
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Last summer I went on a trip with my mom to Odessa, TX (where there is NOTHING), and out of the absolute lack of anything to do I started writing a Japanese textbook. I dropped it a while back since that's what I do with projects, but I'd like to start it up again and thought I'd post it here for input.
It's here on Google Docs.
I've put in a lot more effort in on the beginning than most of the rest (the first two chapters and the foreword were all once one chapter), and I eventually intend to have vocab lists and maybe exercises for each chapter, but I haven't gotten around to that. (In fact, if anyone wants to suggest useful vocab, feel free - it's not my forte at all. Just try to keep it basic!)
Thanks for any input!
(edit: I worked so hard to get those kana tables to look right in OpenOffice and Google Docs goes and messes them up completely... *grumble*)
(And apparently Google Docs doesn't like page breaks. Ah well.) |
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Aert
Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 354
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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yay!
I'm going to be taking Japanese pretty soon and this looks like a good starting point (I've done a bit of reading on the grammar/linguistics and form and such, but not as much in vocab or learning the various writing systems.
Thanks for posting this and I'll come back to read it thoroughly when I have time  |
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Tolkien_Freak

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1231 Location: in front of my computer. always.
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Thanks ^_^
Looking forward to comments from someone who's actually going to use it ^_^ |
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3po
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 34
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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seems like a pretty tough challenge just cause of some boredom _________________ I-I |
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Tolkien_Freak

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1231 Location: in front of my computer. always.
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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3po wrote: | seems like a pretty tough challenge just cause of some boredom |
Well, there wasnt anything else to do...
(my apostrophe key has died on me. >_>) |
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3po
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 34
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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you could've gone for walk _________________ I-I |
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Tolkien_Freak

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1231 Location: in front of my computer. always.
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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This was probably more productive ^_^ |
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StrangeMagic Admin

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 640
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Tolkien_Freak, I've read like the first little part of it and I love it.
You use terminology which is very easy to understand.
Japanese is one of the languages that I would like to learn some time.
But thank you very much for sharing it, I shall be bookmarking it for future reference. =D |
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Tolkien_Freak

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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Yay, thank you very much!
Hopefully the rest is as good, since it's significantly less worked-on. |
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3po
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 34
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Tolkien_Freak wrote: | This was probably more productive ^_^ |
i guess that depends on how healthy you are...
there are already a plethora of japanese textbooks/grammars, but no one can go for a walk for you _________________ I-I |
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Tolkien_Freak

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1231 Location: in front of my computer. always.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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3po wrote: | there are already a plethora of japanese textbooks/grammars, but no one can go for a walk for you |
Yeah, but they all suck!
(Part of my motivation is that I feel like almost every textbook out there completely misrepresents the way Japanese works.) |
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3po
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 34
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Tolkien_Freak wrote: | Yeah, but they all suck!
(Part of my motivation is that I feel like almost every textbook out there completely misrepresents the way Japanese works.) |
really?
even the ones written by native speakers?
seriously? that's quite an ego _________________ I-I |
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eldin raigmore Admin

Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1621 Location: SouthEast Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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3po wrote: | really?
even the ones written by native speakers?
seriously? that's quite an ego | It's not really too improbable that T_F hasn't run into any textbooks by native speakers of Japanese who are both excellent at speaking and writing English (or whatever T_F's native language is) and very good at writing textbooks about languages. Many people who are fluent in Japanese and good at writing textbooks are piss-poor at English; many people who are native Japanese-speakers and fluent English-speakers are piss-poor at writing textbooks.
I'm sure T_F wasn't being serious; but even if he was, he wasn't really saying there aren't any such books, but rather that he hasn't seen any. And that is, unfortunately, not far-fetched at all, especially considering the number of errors in many otherwise-excellent books on various subjects (a large number, when summed over all the books). _________________ "We're the healthiest horse in the glue factory" - Erskine Bowles, Co-Chairman of the deficit reduction commission |
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Tolkien_Freak

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:11 am Post subject: |
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eldin raigmore wrote: | I'm sure T_F wasn't being serious; but even if he was, he wasn't really saying there aren't any such books, but rather that he hasn't seen any. And that is, unfortunately, not far-fetched at all, especially considering the number of errors in many otherwise-excellent books on various subjects (a large number, when summed over all the books). |
Yeah - it seems that most textbooks for Japanese are written by l2 speakers of Japanese, and they don't really seem to recognise the underlying system that Japanese verbs work on - most native Japanese speakers know the system well, but none of the native-English-speaking textbook writers seem to have learned the system at all.
I can only say I know it because I read a textbook about Classical Japanese, where the system is far more visible, by a native Japanese speaker. If you know the system exists, though, Japanese makes a lot more sense than otherwise - I've seen textbooks that treat almost every affix as its own entirely separate entity! And written by linguists! Öü.
(Again, this is all in my experience - not to say that no such textbooks exist, but merely that I have not seen any.) |
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3po
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eldin raigmore Admin

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. _________________ "We're the healthiest horse in the glue factory" - Erskine Bowles, Co-Chairman of the deficit reduction commission |
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