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Kiri



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: Pater Noster Reply with quote

The good ole' Lord's Prayer Smile

Latvian:
Mūsu Tēvs Debesīs, svētīts lai top Tavs Vārds, lai nāk Tava Valstība, Tavs Prāts lai notiek kā Debesīs, tā arī virs zemes. Mūsu dieniķo maizi dodi mums odien un piedod mums mūsu parādus, kā arī mēs piedodam saviem parādniekiem. Un neieved mūs kārdināanā, bet atpestī mūs no ļaunā, jo Tev pieder valstība, spēks un gods mūīgi mūos, āmen.

http://www.christusrex.org/www1/pater/index.html

TL:
Sūl Ťinsi, k zōģan Ťamdiai ln. Z Qandri riķan panņei al. Z Dux riteit al. Z Gaitae riďs āeťehai kommaf Ťamdiai al. Sūl bamrengi enďi sūl taioļ zōts airengai ōe zōfass sūl paņķol al kommaf sliģan paņķitraloņ fasslin. Alao, Z fōr sūl taio kjamďertai hai zōhāft sūl taio ixiō of al. Ņan zōnt Dux ōe Vax ōe Gārbe hantī hantai ln. Āmn.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have we ever thought to do this before? I think we have, but it's been ages...

Eryumenare lhueyu kanai, evoe me leryu; etje me kareme, yaranje me ev, yalha eryumeneme. Lhare mai irilhuzlhe eu irilhire, edhaleyu lhue ulaza edhalime lhu ulaza yatune la. Yature lhu yatje ulaevmani, savale lhu ulaemaku; lhre karama, lhre karale, lhre ovaraya, nelj neljyu. Amenu.

[not going to gloss it unless people want it]
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
not going to gloss it unless people want it

I'd like a gloss!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... alright then...

(couple of corrections in the text too)

Eryumenare lhueyu kanai, evoe me leryu; etje me kareme, yaranje me ev, yalha eryumeneme. Lhare lhumai irilhuzlhe eu irilhire, edhaleyu lhue ulaza edhalime lhu ulaza yatune la. Yature lhu yatje ulaevmani, savale lhu ulaemaku; melhre karama, melhre karale, melhre ovaraya, nelj neljyu. Amenu.
heaven-LOC-COP-ATT me-PL-POSS.ATT-and father-VOC, holy-IMP your (no, it's not you-POSS-ATT) name.STAT; come-IMP your kingdom.ACT, happen-IMP your will.STAT, earth-LOC heaven-LOC-COMP. give-IMP me-PL-ALL day-UNIV-POSS-ATT food.STAT day-DEM, forgive-IMP-and me-PL-POSS.ATT sin.STAT forgive-COMP me-PL.ACT sin.STAT do-PAST-ATT person.STAT. *CAUS-NEG-IMP me-PL.STAT go-NOM.STAT temptation-ILL, save-IMP-but me-PL.STAT evil-ABL; you-POSS-because kingdom.STAT, you-POSS-because power.STAT, you-POSS-because glory.STAT, time-UNIV time-UNIV-and. Amen.

Fu--.

*Causative = do agent.ACT patient.STAT action-NOM.STAT

(if COMP doesn't mean comparative, let me know)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glosses -- good!

Can you(plural) write it in your conscripts?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to rework my conscript to work better with my reworked lang, but I'll get around to it eventually.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pd, ğis falt eksẹ,
ĩtōw kiti sxa.
Gỵ̃ỵ̃o ọti.
Xeadxa kiti
pes ek ğẹ falt ek.
Dǽst bọọ bek ọọw
ĩwtdk kjakl
ğẹ ĩwt xecaktulkdk.
Ẽwsỳsai ọavtd
ũ wavt kjak
ska xa gỵ̃ỵ̃o, səxesai, ẹt
saĵọọjọọ
Amen.

No gloss until one is asked for, but I'll post it in my conscript soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like a gloss, and maybe some X-SAMPA.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, some kind of pronunciation would be greatly appreciated Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Wink


Hemnlg: Karna prsud gyl sg Badfec, sg ener bis/dyna syd. Llrnren krit bis/dyna dmlgad, yr bis/dyna rotgar sg pyl noch yr nerlech hul Badfec. Llrnren kar hg porra svetis, yr jrga karna sjona lyrar p jkarg nerlech hul. Sj mnen kar sjona rotgarnoj yr urven kar tisjjeg. bis/dyna dir sg dmlgad yr grnneng yr djnne rhut yr onon, kodegr.

"Printed"
Handwritten - There is an error in the second line - I used the masculine "your" for some reason, while everything else is feminine. I was too lazy to fix it. Rolling Eyes Also I wrote rotgar as rochar, which also is acceptable since they're pronounced exactly the same.

(we-of father that be-PRES-3s heaven-in, be-PRES-3s holy your.m./your.f. name. let-IMP come your.m./your.f. kingdom, your.m./your.f. desire-pl. be-PRES-3s do-PAST-3pl. here and same way heaven-in. Let-IMP we receive we-of water today-of, and forgive-IMP we-of wrong thing-pl. as forgive(we) same way. NEG lead-IMP we wrong desire-pl.-toward and save-IMP we evil-one-from. Your.m/your.f one be-PRES-3s. kingdom and power and glory always and forever, praise-pl.)

Back-translation: Our father who is in heaven, holy is your name. Let your kingdom come, your desires be done here as they are in heaven. Let us receive our daily water and forgive us our wrongs as we also forgive. Do not lead us toward wrong desires and save us from Evil. Yours is the kingdom and power and glory always and forever, praise be.

Ra cel: Brri-gugh sim ia by-ẁmin, ia gẃj-athi i bhunir. Allasl tomgh-athi s-alla-bhŷdh fiej-athi by-Yarac m bhŷdh by- ẁmin. Helbhgem na dhaẅbh-gugh, s-vlaham gorn-gugh m vlaha li sa sbdy sd rind lg. Frm gyn lg t-bhtach s-jognm lg rind rc cjbir. Allia athi tomragh-s-clu-s-amra nvn, cmith gysv/mn.

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(father-our who be-PRES in-heaven, be-PRES name-your holy 1a2n. come-SUBJ reign-your and-do-PASS-SUBJ will-your on-Yarac as do-PASS in-heaven. Provide-IMP today bread-our, and-forgive-IMP sin-pl.-our as forgive-PRES we (clause) sin-PRES they against us. Lead-IMP-NEG us into-temptation and-protect-IMP us against him evil-1a-4n. be-SUBJ yours kingdom-and-power-and-glory forever, amen/amen)

Back-translation: Our father who is in heaven, your name is holy. Let your reign come and let your will be done in The World as is done in heaven. Provide our bread today and forgive our sins as we forgive they who sin against us. Do not lead us to temptation and protect us from the evil one. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever, amen.


I will provide IPA or X-SAMPA for these upon demand. (^_^)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Necromancing!

Bulhaswai:
Čaudwimatyupugujyakwa,
Dulyaumihya kassamwabadya,
Duwauhwihya dadadya,
Dwimatyuauau baustyudučiwijipwaučadya.
Igautamčas čaual čaugautampushahadatugi,
Čaual čauhaipwaučutajisapuhada.
Čauhwa čauhaibulal sapuhu.
Dagama balhusamatyučaujilabamaigabi,
alhisam čaujijabugada.
Duhya waliwalitamčas wauhwilamajilahaumalajipwisalumasa.
Amim.

Here's the scrypt version:



Also, there were people who promissed to provied glosses, scripts and other things, and never did Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ironically, no one ever did the Latin for this one!

Pater noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen.

father.NOM.SG our.NOM.SG.MASC, REL.NOM.SG is.2SG in heaven-ABL.PL, sanctify-SUBJ-3.SG-PASS name.NOM.SG your-NOM.SG.NEUT. come-SUBJ-3SG kingdom.NOM.SG your-NOM.SG.NEUT. be.done-SUBJ-3SG will.NOM.SG your-NOM.SG.FEM, the.same in heaven-ABL.SG and in earth-ABL.SG. bread-ACC.SG our-ACC.SG.MASC daily-ACC.SG.MASC give-IMP.SG us.DAT today, and forgive-IMP.SG us.DAT debt-ACC.PL our-ACC.PL.NEUT, the.same and us.NOM forgive-1PL debtor-DAT.PL our-DAT.PL.MASC. and NEG us.ACC lead-SUBJ-2SG into temptation-ACC.SG, but free-IMP.SG us.ACC from evil-ABL.SG.NEUT. amen.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Kiri - that looks AWESOME - can you gloss it? Very Happy

I might do this in ddamychal and Nomah later but I still haven't finished the Paradise Lost TC...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The glossary to Bulhaswai (nothing too extraordinary, really)

Čau-dwima-tyu-pugu-jyakwa,
1-heaven-LOC-locate.GER-father
Du-lyaumi-hya kassam-wabadya,
2-name-NOM sacred-become.3IMP
Du-wauhwi-hya dadadya,
2-country-NOM come.3IMP
Dwima-tyu-auau baus-tyu-du-čiwi-ji-pwaučadya.
heaven-LOC-same.as earth-LOC-2-will-ACC-do.3IMP
I-gau-tam-čas čau-al čau-gau-tam-pusha-hada-tugi,
this-light-time-TEMP 1-DAT 1-light-time-bread-give.2IMP-and
Čau-al čau-hai-pwaučuta-ji-sapuhada.
1-DAT 1-debt-action-ACC-forgive.2IMP
Čau-hwa čau-hai-bul-al sapuhu.
1-too 1-debt-person-DAT forgive
Dagama balhusama-tyu-čau-ji-labamai-gabi,
also temptation-LOC-1-ACC-lead.NEG-but
alhi-sam čau-ji-jabugada.
evil-ABL 1-ACC-save.2IMP
Du-hya wali-wali-tam-čas wauhwi-la-maji-la-haumala-ji-pwisalu-masa.
2-NOM eternal-eternal-time-TEMP country-and-might-and-honour-ACC-have-because
Amim.
amen
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Do you have this language posted under Conlangs? I looked but didn't find it. Could we have the pronunciation too? Not the whole thing, just like an alphabet list? I read it assuming general pronunciation, like /a/ = [a] and /u/ = [u] and /d/ = [d] etc. but I got hung up on the letters with the inverted carrot, and /j/. I figured they were like [t_S] and [S] and either [j] or [d_Z]. Sorry if it's posted elsewhere and I'm just blind! Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Lord, I haven't commented on this thread since Groundhog Day 2010!
Achemel, Kiri, Tolkien_Freak, Aeetlrcreejl:
Those translations are beautiful.
For everyone who posted Interlinear Morphemic Glosses of their romanizations of their languages' PaterNoster, thanks; they're great.
For everyone who posted conscripts or links to their conscripts;
they're beautiful!

@T_F; Would you care to post an IMG of the Latin PaterNoster?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
Thanks! Do you have this language posted under Conlangs? I looked but didn't find it. Could we have the pronunciation too? Not the whole thing, just like an alphabet list? I read it assuming general pronunciation, like /a/ = [a] and /u/ = [u] and /d/ = [d] etc. but I got hung up on the letters with the inverted carrot, and /j/. I figured they were like [t_S] and [S] and either [j] or [d_Z]. Sorry if it's posted elsewhere and I'm just blind! Wink


I'm getting around to posting the language, but you're completely right about the pronounciation. /j/ is <dZ>, because /y/ is <j>. Other than the j/y and w, this is basically the way any Latvian person would read the letters. I didn't go for anything fancy, because of the fact that it's just a transcription of the actual script.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
Good Lord, I haven't commented on this thread since Groundhog Day 2010!

Well, it was just necroed ^_^
And thanks for saying it's pretty, but it's not my work ^_^

Quote:
@T_F; Would you care to post an IMG of the Latin PaterNoster?

If you mean Interlinear Morphemic Gloss (more likely), I thought I did (well, it's not interlinear, but still).
If you mean image (less likely), I'm not sure what you need it for...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
eldin raigmore wrote:
@T_F; Would you care to post an IMG of the Latin PaterNoster?

If you mean Interlinear Morphemic Gloss (more likely),
Yes, that's what I meant.
Tolkien_Freak wrote:
I thought I did
Oops! So you did!
I couldn't find it just scanning the thread, even after you told me it was there; I had to use a software search on it.
If it had been a snake it would have bitten me twice!
Tolkien_Freak wrote:
(well, it's not interlinear, but still).
That's OK, what you did is what I meant.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My new(est) Romlang... Very Happy

Nustr Padr qui ei nelle ele,
t num si santificatu,
vene t rinnu,
si fattu t vulunt cum nel elu insc sulla erra.
Dannu ui nustr pan cuin,
E perdnanu nustre bite
Cum nui osc perdunamu a nustre ebiture.
E ne nu cundui in entan
Ma rilanu il malu,
Purqu tu e lu rinnu, la putn e la giria pur sempr.
Amn.


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