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Reorthographization idea for my English idiolect

 
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Tolkien_Freak



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:56 am    Post subject: Reorthographization idea for my English idiolect Reply with quote

Sorry for my recent absence, I've had a weird thing where it kind of feels like I have nothing to say - every time I want to post something I always reconsider and don't. I'm trying to break that with this.

Anyway, I've been playing around with an idea for a reorthographization for my idiolect of English (which is darn close to GA, but not quite). (Yeah, I know, so does everyone.) It's only notable for a couple of things, mostly that it marks all of the syllabic nasals/ /r\/ /etc.

And so it follows (standard orthographical <> doesn't work right):
/p/ p
/b/ b
/m/ m
/w/ w
/f/ f
/v/ v
/T/ IDK if I want to stick with th or do something more original/representative. (What that would be IDK.)
/D/ dh or something
/t_h/ t
/d/ d
/n/ n
/r\/ r
/4/ ŕ
/l/ l
/5/ ł
/j/ y
/s/ s
/z/ z
/S/ sh, maybe
/Z/ zh, maybe
/tS/ maybe ch
/dZ/ j
/k/ k
/g/ g
/N/ some kind of n (not ng, too ambiguous), provisionally ǹ
/?/ '
Syllabicity is marked with a dot below the letter (/n_=/ ṇ), though this may run into problems with the lack of certain characters with dots under them. It's omitted when no suitable character can be found.

/i/
/I/ i (or /i/ is i and /I/ is )
/M/ or /IM\/ (as far as I can tell one of those is what an English u is) u
/U/
/e/ or /E/, whichever e
/7M\/ or /oM\/ (or whatever current o is) o
/@/ I'm leaning towards , but I don't quite like it
/V/
/{/
/A/ a

It probably doesn't account for a lot of sounds that would be in other people's dialects (at least according to the Wikipedia IPA for English page), so I'd like to see other people writing their dialects in it.

Samples:
frm dh Wikipd peij n ǹglish:

ǹglish iz West Jṛmnik leiǹgwj dh' dṿelpḍ ṇ ǹglṇd dṛǹ dh Eiǹglo-Sksṇ er. z rẓłt ṿ dh militer, ekṅmik, saiṇtifik, pḷiŕikł, ǹ kłchṛł influṇs ṿ dh Briŕish Empaiṛ dṛǹ dh 18th, 19th, ṇd ṛl 20th senchṛz, ṇd v dh Yunaiŕḍ Stei's sins dh mid 20th senchṛ, i' hz ḅkm dh lǹgwa fŕanka in men parts ṿ dh wṛld.

Wow, that's kind of hard to read. Anyway, I'd like to see this text rendered into other people's idiolects!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ngłish iz ̌ə West Jṛmeənik lnǧəj ' dvelp̣t ṇ̇̇ ngḷ̋nd dṛng nglo-Sksən er. z ə rẓlt ə miltr, engkomḳ, saintifḳ, pliŕikḷ, ng klchrḷ ĩflə̄̃s ə Briŕish Ṃpair dṛng ettĩ, naintĩ, n̄̆́ ṛli twen̄́ə senchrz, əń ə Ənaiŕṭ Stei's dṛng ə mid-tweńə senchr, yz bəkm lngwə franka m meń parts ə wṛld.

Tildes represent nasalised vowels, ń represents what I can best call a "nasalised flap".

I seem to talk weird.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wikipedia wrote:
English is a West Germanic language that developed in England during the Anglo-Saxon era. As a result of the military, economic, scientific, political, and cultural influence of the British Empire during the 18th, 19th, and early 20th centuries, and of the United States since the mid 20th century, it has become the lingua franca in many parts of the world.


My idiolect of Canadian English:
Iǹglish iz Wes' Jṛmnik liǹgwij dh' dṿelpt in Iǹglṇd jṛiǹ dh iǹglow-Sksṇ er. z rizlt v dh militer, eknomik, sayṇtifik, polidikḷ, ṇd klchṛl influwins v dh Bridish Empair jṛiǹ dhy eitnth, naintinth, nd ṛl twentyith senchṛz, nd v dh Yuntid Stets sins dh mid twentyith senchṛ, it hz bikm dh liǹgw friǹk in men prts v dh wṛld.

Whew! That took a surprising lot of listening to myself talk. It's sort of approximated, the diphthong in "language" etc. is somewhere between i and ei and I'm not sure about where I'm using versus (I have trouble distinguishing between those two sounds Embarassed .)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, guys! Interesting. (Several characters in Aeetl's don't show up for me *grumbles about browser and encoding*)

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"nasalized flap"

Now THAT sounds interesting. I can see what you're talking about, though.

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and I'm not sure about where I'm using versus (I have trouble distinguishing between those two sounds Embarassed .)

Y'know, I can see that, if it's Canadian English ^_^
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Reorthographization idea for my English idiolect Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
/T/ IDK if I want to stick with th or do something more original/representative. (What that would be IDK.)
/D/ dh or something

I would use e for /D/ and orn for /T/

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
/N/ some kind of n (not ng, too ambiguous), provisionally ǹ

and eŋ for /N/. I don't know what your proposal is, because it doesn't exist in my font.

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
Syllabicity is marked with a dot below the letter (/n_=/ ṇ), though this may run into problems with the lack of certain characters with dots under them. It's omitted when no suitable character can be found.

Does you ideolect contrast [n] and [n=], and so on?

ŋlish is west jrmnik lŋgwich t develpt in Iŋlnd jriŋ i 'ŋlo-Saksn er.

(<> represents [a\])
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Reorthographization idea for my English idiolect Reply with quote

Baldash wrote:
I would use e for /D/ and orn for /T/

I was thinking about it today and started considering that, I think I'll use it.

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and eŋ for /N/. I don't know what your proposal is, because it doesn't exist in my font.

ŋ is probably better than n with a grave accent, I was just trying to be original. Probably works better this way though.

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Does you ideolect contrast [n] and [n=], and so on?

It does, but I can't think of any minimal pairs ATM. (/@n/ generally becomes /n_=/, /@r\/ > /r\_=/, and so on)

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ŋlish is west jrmnik lŋgwich t develpt in Iŋlnd jriŋ i 'ŋlo-Saksn er.

(<> represents [a\])

What dialect is that?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Swedish accent Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baldash wrote:
My Swedish accent Razz


Ah ^_^
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wi letist orogrf riformz:
(with the latest orthography reforms)
Iŋglish iz Wes' Jṛmnik liŋgwij ' dṿelpt in Iŋglṇd jṛiŋ iŋglow-Sksṇ er. z rizlt v militer, eknomik, sayṇtifik, polidikḷ, ṇd klchṛl influwins v Bridish Empair jṛiǹ y eitn, naintin, nd ṛl twentyi senchṛz, nd v Yuntid Stets sins mid twentyi senchṛ, it hz bikm liŋgw friŋk in men prts v wṛld.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I'm just going to use the letters you first came up with. I'm also going to randomly capitalize. And my computer doesn't seem to have /n/ with a grave accent, so I used a dot. (>_<)


iṅglish iz wes chṛmnik lṅgwij dh ḍvelpt ṅ iṅglnd d()ṛiṅ dh'ṅglo-sksṅ er. z rizlŕ dh milter, eknamik, sintifik, pliŕiklṅ̩ ṅ klchṛl ĩfluns dh Briŕish Empr d()ṛiṅ n eitin', nintn', 'ṅ ṛl tweneth senchṛz, en dh yniŕid steits sins dh mid twene' senchṛ, iŕz bkm ŕ liṅgw frṅk m men parts'dh w()rld.

// represents [a], as I dont generally pronounce a- head diphthongs with [ɑ/A]

The tilde /i/ is nasal.
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