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The 35 Words Project: from the Declaration of Independence
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: The 35 Words Project: from the Declaration of Independence Reply with quote

Similar to this project.

The 35 Words Project wants to collect as many translations as possible of the following text:

in the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


If you translate that into your language, and then back into English, what gets changed and how and why?

on CONLANG-L, kate rhodes wrote:
I was just pondering how the meaning of that famous sentence would mutate when translated into and then back from my language. ... I thought it would be interesting to see what happens when it passes through yours. Especially those of you with languages based in conworlds with notably different ways of looking at things.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ɣolhuks:
Tl nimev solti kvs kra km: mv jaňev ordhi śalănhi is telňavnăn, al auliv wencekuks al vesl khnăn, al tl auliv hlntur al dyeltur al svertur wilye kra km.

Literal English translation:
"These words are true for themselves: all people must be given the same things, and they have eternal and divine entitlements, and these entitlements are life and freedom and work towards joy."

Gloss:
tl nim-ev solti k-v-s kra km: mv jaň-ev ord-hi śalăn-hi is tel-ňav-n-ăn, al auli-v wen-cek-uks al vesl kh-n-ăn, al tl auli-v hln-tur al dyel-tur al sver-tur wilye kra km.

these word-PL true 3-PL-REF for be: all person-PL thing-DECH same-DECH INF-IMP PASSIVE-give-3-PL, and entitlement-PL NEG-stop-ADJ and divine have-3-PL, and these entitlement-PL live-NOUN and free-NOUN and work-NOUN joy for be.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good, Hemicomputer! Thanks.
Can you write it in your conscript yet?
And, can you explain any concultural stuff about how and why it's different from the 18th-century American English version?

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I think you can post either a recording of it or the conscript version of it or even both, on "the Thomas Jefferson Hour"'s 35 Words site; or, if not, maybe the tlHiNaan site has a conlanger's version of it where they're collecting them. Kate Rhodes would know.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I haven't done anything in a while, but I can totally resurrect this thread. I don't have anything in native script, though, just romanization. There possibly are languages I never posted any info on, as well.


Keudeu: /hold-on-to-PRES-pl. we-subj. be-CONT-pl. show-self truth-pl., be-born-PRES-pl. equally all person-pl.-subj. one, give-PAST-s. they-to god-subj. some shared claim-pl., have-PRES-n. life, freedom, and free spirit-pl./

Keteu-a nunon di-beu chesul rihino, bangeu-a bechila ili-kodanon a, sa-cha kinom wein dum abuhano-chakasi, uka-a danan, yulin, de sheno-yu.

We hold that these are self-evident truths, that all people are born equally, that God gave them some shared claims, having life, freedom, and free souls.



Tadvradcel: /believe-PRES we that this truth be-PRES obvious, that all men be-PRES create-PAST same, that be-endow-PAST with certain certain right by make of they, that among them be-PRES life, freedom, and hunt for joy/

Flehi esruc manth hwy us hysr thss, manth thy nysss te dabyn gly hiỳ yrthy dbur l uisse d sen, manth c sen hysr rlth, gldss, ysth gvlass be ellm.

We believe that these truths are obvious, that all me are created the same, that they are endowed with certain certain rights by their maker, that among them are life, freedom, and the hunt for joy.



Kari: /this truth TOP self-showing be THING OBJ /de/; all man same way in make-PAST-BE THING /de/, they GEN god TOP they to specific gift OBJ give-PAST THING /de/, this GEN inside in life, free-hood, and(complete) happiness GEN chase be-PRES THING in we TOP belief have-PRES EMPH/

Ree suje ia kankahe mu noro o de; todao umiki ia aneani jare ni gedamima noro de, ano eratashi ne meia ia ano eratashi ni sunda agi o jishami noro de, reso ne konake ni kahya, dayookin, o ha kameranta ne suban ma noro ni kehyasha ia shitedoraje kurui ka.

We believe these truths to be self-showing, all men were made in the same way, their god gave them specific gifts, among which are life, freedom, and the chase of happiness.



Ra cel: /believe-PREs we that these-truth-pl. be-PRES 1a2n obvious, wherein create-PASS-PRES all-men in-equality, that give-PASS-PRES they by-maker-their have-CONT(noun) gift-pl. 1a3n certain 2a3n NEG-can-make-apart, that be-PRES among-these life-gift, freedom-gift, and search for-happiness/

Iava li sa m-fdhn ia a bijir, jv nhdh tere-dhn by-lsin, jv faranmdh bth u-dhd-sj thlmusagh jw-farsn u tachif un gyntriatr, jv ia ẅl im iabh-fars, resegh-fars, s-algimusagh ve-cwvirca.

We believe that these truths are obvious, wherein all men are created in equality, that they are given by their maker certain inseparable rights, that among these are the gift of life, the gift of freedom, and the gift of searching for happiness.



Hemnlg: /maintain-we-PRES that these truth-pl. explain-they-PRES they-self, that all men be-PRES create-PAST same-in, that be-they-PRES give-PAST certain NEG-separate-able privilege-pl. they-of maker-by, that these-things-of be-PRES life, freedom, and that which-with follow-INF happiness/

Dukapeng gyl lyka salyrar mublck srykis, gyl sr skrran sg nstel nerlechic, gyl sg noubal kalla saskanve tjskel srykis nsutal, gyl lykalyrarna sg sorg, sambyd, yr gyl gylal kriskic marlar.

We maintain that these truths explain themselves, that all men are created the same, that they are given certain inseparable privileges by their maker, that of these are life, freedom, and that with which to follow happiness.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done, achemel! Thanks! Very Happy Exclamation Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW Achemel et al;
Can you write any of these in your con-scripts yet?
Or record yourself (or someone) pronouncing them; and post the recording on-line?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah... I could provide recordings, when I get back to the states. I can also work on scripts for all but Keudeu, which doesn't quite have one yet, but that also will be when I get back as I don't have my materials with me. A few more weeks, I'll be sure to revisit this then.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
Ah... I could provide recordings, when I get back to the states. I can also work on scripts for all but Keudeu, which doesn't quite have one yet, but that also will be when I get back as I don't have my materials with me. A few more weeks, I'll be sure to revisit this then.

That would be wonderful!

Where are you now, that you're not in "the States"?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm doing a brief study program in Korea.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
I'm doing a brief study program in Korea.

Wow!
Shocked Cool
Tell us about it when you get the chance?
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been working on the recordings for these and will do the scripts maybe next weekend, but what would be the best way to provide a listening file?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
I've been working on the recordings for these and will do the scripts maybe next weekend,

Wonderful!


achemel wrote:
but what would be the best way to provide a listening file?

Kiri did it on https://soundcloud.com/ingus-macats/et-vangot-ent-valenti-durrcjon.
Killerken did it on http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww229/killerken1969/?action=view&current=NelemaGlaunmovie.flv.
Aeetlrcreejl did it on http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?9me1z90z2dt and on http://www.mediafire.com/?vmgtgm4izvl.
StrangeMagic did it on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVg9E7dj7QA.
dusepo did it on http://www.savefile.com/files/1422573.

I don't know what the best way is, but all of those turned out to be satisfactory.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent, thank you. I'll look into those and see which will work best for me. If I can come up with a slideshow with the words or something I could do it on Youtube at least. Will try to have them up by the weekend!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! I look forward to it.
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Where are the rest of us? Think we'll hear from them before May?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I did the first three recordings but I'm not quite satisfied with the other two yet. I uploaded them to Soundcloud, but I can't turn off the continuous play so until I figure that out here's one link to listen to all of them: https://soundcloud.com/tlhakujunkan/keudeu-35-words

I looked all over for a fix that doesn't require me to download Mozilla and then find an add-on, but besides that there's like nothing to make it not play over and over. Sorry about that.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
Okay, I did the first three recordings but I'm not quite satisfied with the other two yet. I uploaded them to Soundcloud, but I can't turn off the continuous play so until I figure that out here's one link to listen to all of them: https://soundcloud.com/tlhakujunkan/keudeu-35-words

I looked all over for a fix that doesn't require me to download Mozilla and then find an add-on, but besides that there's like nothing to make it not play over and over. Sorry about that.


Thanks!
I heard all three of them and could tell them apart.

Keudeu reminds me of Chinese and Kari reminds me of Japanese.
Not sure what Tadvaradcel reminds me of -- Russian, maybe?

And, wow, do you sound fluent in your conlangs!

Have you tried writing them in their scripts?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm working on that too. I really don't like that continuous play feature, so I'm going to try to put the scripts and recordings together into youtube videos instead. Kari and Tadvradcel have developed scripts, but Keudeu is relatively new and still kind of in the works. I'll get all this together hopefully by the end of next week.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am so impressed.
Maybe some movie company will hire you to do all that for some work of fiction they want to make a movie out of.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be really cool, haha. And I found my notes for Keudeu! Scripts should happen by the weekend for sure now.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever thought of joining the CBB http://aveneca.com/cbb?
It's a much more active board with many more members, and IMO they'd be fascinated by your 'langs.

Or, if you're there already, what's your username there?
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