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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject: Selvanian... Reply with quote

...is the name of a romlang descended from Old Latin that I'm making. 'Twill have more Etruscan influence, as well as Semitic influence from first the Phoenicians, and later the Arabs. More will be posted over the weekend - I promise.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds interesting. What historical circumstances would give it both Etruscan and Punic/Arabic influence?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the island of Selvania, there existed Etruscans. Then enough speakers of Old Latin came to Selvania and supplanted Etruscan, but there was heavy Etruscan influence. Groups of Carthaginian refugees came here after the fall of Carthage (Punic), and Selvania was Ottoman territory for a long time (Arabic, maybe Turkish).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome. Looking forward to more ^_^
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, however, I can post a sentence:

Alyadikē ari Selvanē, vīros ēxit korpōt bōvis dīvō.

It contains words from Etruscan (exō, -āse), Punic (ars, aris), Arabic (alyadika, alyadikes) as well as native words (Selvanos, -a, -om; vīros, es; korpos, es; dīvos, es and bōs, bōvis). It means, "In a park on Selvanian ground, a man offered the body of a cow to a god as a ritual offering".
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey everybody, I'll show you a phoneme inventory! And Serali, there's a script coming up as soon as I finish this post.
/m n p b t d k g f v s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ tʃ h r j l a e i o u ə y/ <m n p b t d k g f z x ğ c r l j a e i o u ə >
ɣ is a rather late phoneme coming from intervocalic g. As such, there are few minimal pairs, though some do exist.
kʷ used to be a phoneme in Early Selvanian, but kʷ > p / _ at around 300 BC (or at least that's when it became common to write kʷ as p).
I hain't detailed the phonotactics yet, but it won't be too complicated. It'll probably be something like (C)(C)V(C)(C) where another V can stand in for one of the two middle consonants but only one.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now let's see some grammar. Specifically, I'll tell you a bit about the nouns:

They have 7 cases.

Nominative: Used for the subject of both transitive and intransitive verbs. It is also used for the subject of an apposition construction, even when the noun in apposition is not the subject. For example, "Vicīt virom re Romes" (he saw the man, king of Rome), virom (man) is in the accusative, but re (king) is in the nominative.

Genitive: Used for the possessor of something, and also used with certain prepositions. It is used as the subject of a gerund, for example, "amus vires" (the man's love). Unlike in Latin, it is not used in a partitive sense - "one of the men" is not "ns virōzən", (genitive plural) but "ns virovs" (ablative plural).

Illative: Used as a general substitute for "to" and used with prepositions involving movement to something. It can also be used in a benefactive sense (as in "hok est vīs" "this is for y'all" - vīs is the illative form of vōs "y'all"). It is used with the forms of the copula to mean "X has". It has also another meaning, used with an adjective, as in "est bonos mihi" (he is good to me, where mihi is the illative of "ego", which means "I".). It developed from the Latin dative forms, but as is obvious, it has shifted in meaning. The indirect object now is in the accusative, with the theme being in the ablative case.

Accusative: Used for the object of a transitive and the recipient of a ditransitive verbs, as noted above.

Ablative: Used as a general subsitute for "from" or "about" and used with prepositions involving movement away from something. It is also used as the theme of a ditransitive verb and of a transitive verb made ditransitive by the causative.

Locative: Used as a general substitute for "in" and used with prepositions involved with static movement.

Vocative: Used when addressing someone. Unlike Latin, most nouns have a distinct vocative form in a singular. It, however, merges with the nominative in the plural.

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th declensions can be found here.
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