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achemel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done a bit of work on Halm and come up with a much-simplified more cursive form of it, as you can see here. (Sorry it's so small, and that I pretty much just put the new letters over the old ones, so there are some blank spaces...)
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Here is a sample of this script.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good, but it seems to lose the overall distinctive feel that the normal version has. The normal version feels all sci-fi-y, the cursive version just looks like a normal script.

I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison of the two, though. It seems like you'd need some structural changes, and I'm curious how you've gone about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe I missed a weather rant! I hate the weather here in Florida! I like to dress nicely, but for a good 8-9 months of the year, it's swelteringly humid. Even in shorts and a tee shirt my soul dies a terrible death. This nice, cold winter has been a welcome change!

Aside aside, (actually I guess that wasn't really an aside) when I first saw your script, I thought, "Gross," and moved on. However, I must admit that it does have a certain quality to it. I do like the way you communicate phoneme order. So I guess maybe the script isn't so bad.


I must agree with Tolkienfreak, though, that the cursive version doesn't resemble the original at all. Everything that is good about the more sci-fi-y one is absent. Aesthetically, on the other hand, I like the cursive one better than the artificial. It seems more like an actual script. And I like curvy scripts like Serali
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

killerken wrote:
And I like curvy scripts like Serali
She's only sixteen (? maybe seventeen now), so I don't know how curvy she is.
It's customary to compliment a young woman's figure by saying she's "curvy"; but what did you mean by saying she's a script?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha ha, whoops! Here's who I meant to quote: achemel
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I like round and curly scripts. (^_^)

Here's a present for Serali: boingy!

My mind attached Serali's name to to it since she was mentioned I guess.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to think of the relation between the original script and this new simplified version as similar to that between Egyptian hieroglyphs and hieratic script. The difference is that the cursive form here isn't very widespread, but it does exist and so should be noted. If anyone cares to see, I can post something showing how the cursive form evolved.

@killerken: I don't think "gross" has ever been a word that comes to mind when looking at any language, but if you really felt that way then thanks for looking.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering how different it looks, I'd love to see an explanation of the transition.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
@killerken: I don't think "gross" has ever been a word that comes to mind when looking at any language, but if you really felt that way then thanks for looking.


Have you never seen a script and thought it was rather ugly? Anyway, I meant no offense, and wrote later on that I have "seen the light", so to speak. I actually admire you for the amount of creativity it undoubtedly took to invent such a script. (Perhaps my jealousy got the better of me. I'm never happy with the end product of my attempts to create beautiful scripts.)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I guess so. I just meant "gross" was an interesting choice of words.
I'm not entirely satisfied with my end results either. Wink And I sincerely appreciate any attention my languages get.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
I like to think of the relation between the original script and this new simplified version as similar to that between Egyptian hieroglyphs and hieratic script. The difference is that the cursive form here isn't very widespread, but it does exist and so should be noted. If anyone cares to see, I can post something showing how the cursive form evolved.


I would like to see the evolution Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, here we go. Apologies for the sloppiness and my terrible handwriting. Apologies also for the quality - the notebook I did it in is about 12x15" and wouldn't fit in the scanner properly, so I just took pictures.

Here is page 1, starting with vowels.
Here is page 2, covering consonants.
And, page 3, with the grammar marker symbols and some background on them.

Hope this is helpful! Wink Let me know if there's anything that is confusing or doesn't seem to connect.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of that is actually pretty intuitive. It certainly makes sense as a faster way to write Halm.

Nice job! Watching the transition from normal to cursive/minuscule is fun for any script.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Very interesting. It's like a history of how a script changes over millenia of normal use. Very cool.
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