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Tolkien_Freak



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember hail in Lakeway from something a lot farther back than that, but I do remember that hailstorm causing a whole lot of damage around my school - it's up in the Cedar Park area. There was so much hail, one of the sidewalks still had ice on it by the time we got out of school (I think that was where they had swept all of it).

Here at Vreleksá we seem to have a penchant for turning discussions to meteorology-related topics.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why, didn't you know? This is actually a secret under cover meteorology site. Oops, shouldn't have revealed that! Now everyone will know...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in Pennsylvania (pronounced with a heavily Dutchified accent, haha - Pennnsylfeeenyuh Laughing ). We got hail a couple times, maybe marble-sized, but mostly it's just been dreary.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting some rain here in Calgary, but more sun than I would like. Especially since the real scorchers seem to come around on days when I'm outside Mad. No hail yet, but we'll likely be getting it soon since fall is coming Very Happy (snow usually starts around mid-October here.) Current temp is about 60F/13C, so that's OK.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good lord, 60F?! It was over 90F here with the humidity until about 1:00, when suddenly a massive thunderstorm blew in and flooded the way out of work. Also it knocked some branches off the trees and made a little leaf tornado. And the temperature dropped to under 75F, which was AWESOME. (^_^) And it was my last day - hooray!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOU ARE BOTH SO LUCKY

It's at least 95F here ATM, maybe over 100. I don't really want to know. It's bright and sunny <_<

@Hemi: What do you consider a 'scorcher'?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just checked the news; it's 102 here.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

/2x/

(yes that is X-SAMPA)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
@Hemi: What do you consider a 'scorcher'?
Anything well over 30C/86F. Especially if there's no clouds for the sun to go behind and no trees or shade of any kind.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BTW, where are the two of you?


Me? I'm in NYC.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
@Baldash - (C)(C)(C)(V)V(V)(C)(C)(C), when (V) could be [j]/[i] in a diphthong/triphthong, or (C) could be [j] as palatization of another (C), or (C) could be an initial [j].
E.g. /skrjestj/ [skrjestʲ] "vandalism" CCC(V)VCC(C)
Most syllables are just CV(C) or V(C).

Is that what you meant?

Yes.

Is the onset always outside of the coda, as it seems to be in the example with "hul" vs. "luh"? How do you spell "tkast" in the script?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the examples with /l/ I kind of screwed up, and have yet to fix - I will definitely do that soon since I have a week of free time (yay! Very Happy ). But, yes, when there is a large, encircling letter (like /h tg ch n g b/) as the onset, it goes outside the coda. It can also go around the vowel carrier of the next syllable if it takes the vowel carrier.

I'll put /tkast/ as an example when I fix the examples with /l/. There is a small circle you can use for /t/ in a cluster, but usually it's only when /t/ comes after another consonant such as /h s/, like at the end of /tkast/. I suppose it could be used here, in the lower left before the letter /k/, but more likely the full letter would be used.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, here are examples. I suppose the ones with /l/ really aren't much different than what I'd put up before... Rolling Eyes






I guess to tell just what is a syllable, you look for what letter the vowel is centered over. In /ta/ it's centered over the /t/, and stays there until the onset becomes the cluster /ts/ or /st/.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I applaud you for being able to remember which placement means what ^_^
(I think I mostly get it though.)

So are those ones where the transcription is the same (like hla and hla) just alternatives? I would guess so.

Side note - I am jealous of the fact that your script is in the computer - I can't ever seem to get just the right curve for Emitare.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the ones where the transcription is the same are alternatives; sort of like the 3 versions of /sj/ on the full alphabet image. It just depends on what comes next: /hla/ by itself likely would take the second choice so it's more self-contained and has a neater appearance, but if there was a syllable after it, it might take the first choice so whatever follows can connect to the bit of /l/ that's sticking out. A matter of aesthetics I guess. Wink

I have to admit it's much easier having Halm in the computer because when I hand-write it the letters start getting scrunched together and smaller and then I can't read it. Rolling Eyes I'm having the worst time with ra cel, though - it looks the best with a calligraphy pen, but it's a lot of trouble to get the ink flowing and make my writing neat and even and then clean the thing when I'm done. I'm trying to make a font: if it works out I'll have to post it. (^_^)

Good luck with Emitare!

And it looks like I need to adjust the size of my image here.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I should've gone with the next bigger one... sorry if you all have trouble seeing anything. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, handwriting Emitare (or rather the old stuff it was based off of) caused the letters to become squished, but that ended up being a feature rather than bad handwriting. There used to be a whole lot more white space, and the letters were way more circular.

BTW, I want to say one more time how awesome your script looks. It's just so awesomely sci-fi. (And the addition of letter variants somehow makes it even more cool, though I can't possibly explain why.)

Are you doing the font for ra cel or Halm?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have an example of older Emitare? I like the way it looks now, and I bet it looked just as good before. Wink

Thanks for your compliments. (^_^) I try not to let it get to my head, but now every time I look at it I start getting all happy and excited and then I squeal and flap my hands around, hahaha.

And, the font is for ra cel. I actually came up with a cursive style that probably will never see the light of day again, and a "block" style that might show up in printed material or as a stylistic device on stonework or pottery. The block style would be the font, since I find it rather difficult to make the curves of the handwritten style look right. The block style would go for Tadvaradcel as well, but with some slight differences (like, there's no letter for /nm/ or the ^ diacritic, and /g gh/ are different).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
Do you have an example of older Emitare? I like the way it looks now, and I bet it looked just as good before. Wink

I don't think I have any uploaded, sorry. I might somewhere, but IDK where it is.
(The script's basic shape is several years older than Emitare though.)

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Thanks for your compliments. (^_^) I try not to let it get to my head, but now every time I look at it I start getting all happy and excited and then I squeal and flap my hands around, hahaha.

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You're welcome. ^_^

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And, the font is for ra cel. I actually came up with a cursive style that probably will never see the light of day again, and a "block" style that might show up in printed material or as a stylistic device on stonework or pottery. The block style would be the font, since I find it rather difficult to make the curves of the handwritten style look right. The block style would go for Tadvaradcel as well, but with some slight differences (like, there's no letter for /nm/ or the ^ diacritic, and /g gh/ are different).

That's awesome - different styles are always cool. I once tried a blocky style for the Emitare-predecessor, but it ended up always moving left since the letters always started slightly offset from each other - writing it curvy this isn't a problem, but writing it square means you have to have this spine going down the back to avoid that.
(Plus the blockiness is the complete opposite of the main idea behind Emitare.)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like round and curly scripts. (^_^)

Here's a present for Serali: boingy!




The first is pretty much "boingy" Hemnalgized (to /bO}Ni:/) and the second means "thing that bounces/boings." Hooray!
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