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"Brailles"? Sign-languages? Semaphores etc.?

 
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eldin raigmore
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: "Brailles"? Sign-languages? Semaphores etc.? Reply with quote

Those who are going to make a script for a spoken language;
How many have considered making a tactilely-readable and tactilely-writable script, whether for blind readers and writers, or for circumstances where the message must be written and/or read in the dark (such as in a cave or hideout)?
How many have a gestural language to go with your spoken language, for deaf-mute speakers or when communicators must make no sound, such as when hunting or when ambushing an enemy during war?
How many have some way to communicate at a distance too far to talk, such as:
* whistle language
* "talking drums"
* smoke signals
* heliograph
* semaphore
* telegraph
etc.?

(Anybody who has all of this is now officially my hero!)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have all of those for a single language, but I have a number of them for various ones. I'm working on a sign and drum language for Hemnälg, as well as a dance language which would serve as well in place of signing and occasionally drumming (if you're close enough not to need drums). Ualaxx could theoretically be sung or whistled, but I have a fairy language which is completely whistled. There's a computer language for my cipher Sal-Haim which can be projected manually by this clicky thing I'm working on (like Morse code perhaps), and there is a signal language used by gryphon and dragon riders which involves aerial maneuvers combined with mirrors, sort of like a heliograph I suppose. (^_^)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have developed both tone codes and telegraph/heliograph codes for my conlang, where every syllable, or every onset and every rhyme, or every phoneme, is replaced with a string of tones, or a string of long and short signals. A problem is that each is self-segregating, so it suffers a bit from lack of brevity, e.g.:

S = "short", L = "long"

SL = a
SSL = u
SLL = i
SSLL = e
SSSL = o
SLLL = ë

...

SSLLLLLLLLLL = uil

etc.

"Talking drums", and preferably "talking trumpets" I have too, as well as a semaphore. (As well as proper relexes of my main conlang, instead of a phoneme-by-phoneme code, which handles the brevity better, e.g. a binary relex where the most common morpheme might be "10", which uses the same binary self-segregating system as the telegraph code. I would prefer it rather than using my main language using that system above.)

But as for "Brailles" and sign-languages, no I haven't developed anything like that. Nor do I know how to make smoke signals.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just finished a braile (on cue from a conlang post earlier), based on phonetics but I don't know if I'll do anything with it. I'm seriously considering doing something of a sign language, possibly combined as with one of the speakers from one of the LCCs.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I intend to have a drum language for a conlang that is heavy on consonants, so that for every consonant there was a different tipe of drums. Not sure I can pull it off, though, considering all the cave-acoustics crap Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck, Aert and Kiri and others.
How will you show us what you've done, when you want to?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extremely good resource for signed languages:
"Talking Hands" by Margalit Fox
It talks about ASL, ISL, and a separate signed language the team (that the book follows) is studying in Israel. And it goes very in depth to the grammar, morphology, syntax, etc of sign languages, how they relate cognitively to the brain and contrast to spoken languages.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, there's a "sign language IPA" that this guy made (he's on the conlang mailing list) that's very comprehensive and well thought out. If anyone's making a signed conlang, this transcription would almost certainly be best, as it can indicate the inflections and etc as well as gross movement.

http://dedalvs.com/slipa.html

very long page, but very thorough Very Happy
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