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Not quite. The vowel is /{/ anyways, "mh" ir no "mh". It has an effect on the manner of articulation for the vowel rather than the actual phonetic value.
Also, how were my latest guesses? Still wrong?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:27 am Post subject: |
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[s6 sYlB{t tOn{~ p7se: sYlB{ s6 tOn{~t {lIqto:] ? I thought I had tried [l] already, but maybe not. (^_^) I didn't check the previous posts too closely to see if I had.
Of your latest guess, the first is closest - one vowel in /herI:ljanat/ is off. Just one! Then you have it!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| achemel wrote: | | [s6 sYlB{t tOn{~ p7se: sYlB{ s6 tOn{~t {lIqto:] ? I thought I had tried [l] already, but maybe not. (^_^) I didn't check the previous posts too closely to see if I had. |
You hadn't exactly guessed /l/. You first guessed /l_j/, thinking that the "y" was a palatalizer (SP? real word?). You are SO CLOSE! Just "ou," "o," and "k" to guess. You were still closest with /u:/ for "ou", it's VERY similar.
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Of your latest guess, the first is closest - one vowel in /herI:ljanat/ is off. Just one! Then you have it! |
/herI:ljI:nat/? /herI:ljInat/? /heryljanat/? /herI:lj@nat/? /herIljanat/?
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Bwaaah, [s6 sYlB{t t}:n{~ p7se: sYlB{ s6 t}:n{~t {LIgto:]? [s6 sYlB{t t}:n{~ p7se: sYlB{ s6 t}:n{~t {L\Igto:]? [s6 sYlB{t t}:n{~ p7se: sYlB{ s6 t}:n{~t {l`Igto:]? Any of those with [M] in place of [}]? Or /k/ as [k:], [q:], [c:], [k_h], [q_h], [c_h]?
[her()jlanat] - just the vowel in parentheses. 
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| Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: |
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I already marked you correct with /l/, so I don't know why you're guessing /L/ and /L\/. As for "k", you are again guessing everything except the obvious. Further hint: "o" and "ou" are both rounded vowels.
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Oh, I guess I kind of read your reply as I still hadn't guessed /l/, not that the guess there was it. 
UMMMM... [tun{~] and [{lIkto:]?!  [ton{~]? [to:n{~]? [t}n{~]? Sorry if I'm repeating myself with any or all of these. (^_^) What's your guess for /he-rúlyrh/?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| achemel wrote: | | UMMMM... [tun{~] and [{lIkto:]?! |
*BING* We have a winner! Just "o" to go!
| achemel wrote: | | What's your guess for /he-rúlyrh/? |
/herI:lja/? /herIlja/? /herelja/? /herilja/?
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Yay!  Lessee... [pOse:]? [p&se:]? [pose:]? [p9se:]? [pQse:]? (^_^)
You're getting closer with /her(e)lja/! Also, I'm going to post the pronunciation of my other crazy sentence after work, and another challenge if you get the last vowel of this one. I have faith in you!
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Correct! Win!
| achemel wrote: | | You're getting closer with /her(e)lja/! |
/herElja/? /here:lja/? /her9lja/? /her2lja/?
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Win! Win! Yay!
Go a bit lower than /e/... I'm sure you'll get it! I think I mentioned before that my romanization has no rhyme or reason, heh, proven here.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| achemel wrote: | | Go a bit lower than /e/... |
For <ú>?!
You weren't kidding when you said your orthography was crazy.
I'm glad mine's nice and readable.
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Yeah, well... (^_^) It's part of what makes this language fun. No more guesses? I've been gone a week - I thought maybe y'all'd have it when I got back. 
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Welps, it's been over a week and no more tries, so here's the phonology for both of my posted sentences:
/sa diama am:_h palek_h If heraljanat/
and
/al jad:@ sEklit@ kS bolz_ja Tanak@sjox@ zE Sum dal al masE sInsun@n g9`wE natjostasri:x@radun am:_h ijarEmIf/
The modern spelling of the two, respectively:
sa tiama a pales yf heraa-nat
al iatte selita khta bolzan tanukhé ze shum dal al mase senzun'n gaó n-esdarikhath a iaremyf
Further, if anyone wants to give this a try, here's a sentence in my English cipher:
Ic luk foi sochm ath mhite alim ik hire’ie sillem.
This is a double challenge - guess the phonology, which I assure you is much more sensible than the last one I put up, and guess what the sentence might mean. I'll give two hints to start; the vowels pretty much match up with their placement in English (e.g., "a" by itself would actually be "a" in the cipher, or the /e/ in "ten" is the same in cipher "dec"), and there has been some deletion to make it sound less like garbled English, so the words aren't letter-for-letter codes.
I hope someone gives it a try!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| achemel wrote: | | Ic luk foi sochm ath mhite alim ik hire’ie sillem. |
"I look for some and might ??? I hearing silence"?
/ɪk lʊk fɔɪ 'soxəm aθ βaɪt 'alɪm ɪk 'haɪɹi: 'sɪlɛm/? |
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| twix93 wrote: |
"I look for some and might ??? I hearing silence"?
/ɪk lʊk fɔɪ 'soxəm aθ βaɪt 'alɪm ɪk 'haɪɹi: 'sɪlɛm/? |
Good first guess! The correct parts are bolded.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:02 am Post subject: |
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/ik luk fOI sotS@m aT wite alim ik hire'i: siKEm/?
I look for something and with ? it higher ?
EDIT: Further updates on the Marte (which is actually now called Marse Sûfrin):
Sulfa na tunam o posju, sulfa e tunam na aliktjo.
/'sulfa na tu'n{m o po'sju, 'sulfa e tu'n{m na %{lik'tjo/
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| Hemicomputer wrote: | /ik luk fOI sotS@m aT wite alim ik hire'i: siKEm/?
I look for something and with ? it higher ? |
Correctness is bolded.
| Hemicomputer wrote: | Also, updated version of the Marte sentence:
Sa sulfat sa tunama posû, sa sulfa sa tunamat aliktô.
/s@ sulf@T s@ tunam@ posju s@ sulf@ s@ tunam@T @li?tjo/ |
Awesome.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: |
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/ik luk fOI sotS@m aT m_0ite alim ik hire'i: sil:Em/
maybe /sil_?\em/? Maybe /mxite/?
I look for ? and white ? in this ?
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| Hemicomputer wrote: | /ik luk fOI sotS@m aT m_0ite alim ik hire'i: sil:Em/
maybe /sil_?\em/? Maybe /mxite/?
I look for ? and white ? in this ? |
You're getting quite close. I have to admit the translated sentence itself is a bit strange, and rather lame. Also, I don't want to rule out [m] completely for /mh/ but it's not exactly [m] and it's not quite where you're going with it. Don't think too hard on it.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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/ik luk fOI sotS@m aT fite alim ik hire'i: sil:Em/
I look for socks and find them in here silently
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