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Tolkien_Freak



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In music I listen to I see -nu for a negative rentaikei quite a bit (instead of just -nai).

I'd love to learn more about dialects. I don't really know much, I can just tell when one uses an archaic form because I recognize the form from CJ ^_^

I also don't know the really polite forms well. (I think I know what they are, but I don't know them well.) I only really ever talk to myself, so I use the informal forms WAY more in proportion to polite ones.
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achemel



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Informal is much more fun than formal anyway. (^_^) And I think /nu/ sounds more sophisticated somehow, don't you? Although, it does make me think of samurai and upper-class ladies hiding themselves with veils and stuff too, heh.

Of the dialects I think I love Fukuoka-ben and Sendai-ben the best - they're so weird in comparison to Tokyo-ben or even Kyoto-ben, which as I understand it is the most polite-sounding even in casual conversation because they've retained so much of the older forms.
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I would like to learn:
Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
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ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sadly have not yet gotten a real 'feel' for dialects (even -nu) T_T

How weird are Fukuoka-ben and Sendai-ben?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I believe Sendai-ben uses different particles than those generally used elsewhere. For example, to say "I'm going to the bookstore" (which is totally where I would go, haha) you normally say 本屋へ行く or 本屋に行く, right? In Sendai-ben you'd say 本屋さ行く。 I think を... is ば, so "I'm going to the bookstore to buy a dictionary" is 辞書ば買うように本屋さ行く。 I'm pretty sure /you ni/ isn't different, but I could be wrong. Fukuoka-ben uses /batten/ for /kedo/, and instead of having adjectives end in /-i/ they end in /-ka/. I think a lot of it is similar to other dialects though, like /ken/ for /kara/ and using /ya/ instead of /da/ (copula). And I think they might use /oru/ instead of /iru/ (being). Google is not working for me at the moment, but when it starts up again I'll find the site I got all this from and post it for you. Very Happy I'm not sure how accurate it is though - I don't really trust the internet. Rolling Eyes Can you tell? Haha.
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I would like to learn:
Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
Main conlangs:
ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Razz That's weird and cool! Awesome! IDK why I like it, it's just awesome. Do they use /yuku/ or /iku/? I've never figured out who uses which.

(Wouldn't you use /tame ni/ instead of /you ni/ there?)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they use /yuku/ at least in Fukuoka - and, btw, that's where I'm studying abroad next spring and I'm SO excited for it!! Sendai-ben might even use a different word for /desu/, like /gansu/ - instead of "konbanwa" they say "oban de gansu"...? That might be somewhere else. Or it could be a lingering memory from my Westerns&Samurai films class last semester... Laughing I shoulda been asleep an hour and a half ago, soon's I got home from work.

Would it be /tame/? I kinda thought they're interchangeable in that context. I'd look at my textbook but that would require that I get up. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's cool. Lucky you get to go to anywhere >_>
Never heard 'oban de gansu' before.

I would use tame, you sounds there like 'I'm going to the bookstore like I'm buying a book'. I could be wrong though, you might be able to use you for that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I have to work my butt off to afford it since I have yet to have any luck with scholarships, but my school is amazing with its expansive network of study-abroad locations. If you want to go to a college with a sweet Japanese language program and good study-abroad options I recommend my school - the University of Pittsburgh!! Very Happy Though, your level of Japanese probably would have you test out of the first 2 years so you'd miss all the fun, but 3rd and 4th year I hear are very decent, and there's Intro to Classical and I think a reading class for learning advanced kanji.

I'll check my textbook tomorrow, when I'm awake, and hem and haw over it before posting again. (^_^) G'nite!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they offer Linguistics as an undergraduate major, I'll definitely take a look.
IDK how much I could test out of, my vocab level is pitiful.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
In music I listen to I see -nu for a negative...
So nu-metal would be non-metal then? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Razz Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hemicomputer wrote:
Tolkien_Freak wrote:
In music I listen to I see -nu for a negative...
So nu-metal would be non-metal then? Very Happy


I agree - Razz Razz (^_^)

@TF - I haven't looked up the diff between tame/you yet (cuz I'm lazy), but I can tell you that U. of Pitt does indeed have Linguistics as a major (and a minor), and the... I guess 2 classes I've taken so far have been quite informative. Very Happy As I understand it, though, the major is kind of difficult to get, partly because linguistics can be difficult (for me at least, haha) and partly because linguistics doesn't cross over with very many classes - I can easily get my Japanese major, the Asian Studies Certificate, and a Chinese minor in my 4 years because the department classes cross over each other and contribute credits to each achievement. Linguistics is kind of singular. But, I totally recommend checking out the site and stuff, and when you start doing campus visits and all that if you want to make the trip out here I think it's totally worth it. (^_^)

http://www.linguistics.pitt.edu/
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Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey also, for making vocab for your conlangs: something that works well for me is to just go through my conlang's alphabet (romanized, if it doesn't actually go by an alphabet) and just come up with random combinations within the parameters of my phonology, and then keep those "words" as stock. Then, when I need a word, I go through and look for one that... feels right. Razz It's like the word connects with what I'm looking for in my head, and then it gets set as new vocab. When I don't find one that "feels right" I look to see if it can be made of a combination of already-existing vocab elements, and if nothing comes to mind after that and the situation is reasonable sometimes I just make it a loanword from another natural or conlang. I don't know if you've tried any of that, but that's my own personal method. ...Generally. (^_^)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet, I can add a fourth school I'm aware of that has an undergrad linguistics program ^_^

And I like that vocab idea. I'll have to try it.
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