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Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:35 am Post subject:

In music I listen to I see -nu for a negative rentaikei quite a bit (instead of just -nai).

I'd love to learn more about dialects. I don't really know much, I can just tell when one uses an archaic form because I recognize the form from CJ ^_^

I also don't know the really polite forms well. (I think I know what they are, but I don't know them well.) I only really ever talk to myself, so I use the informal forms WAY more in proportion to polite ones.

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

Informal is much more fun than formal anyway. (^_^) And I think /nu/ sounds more sophisticated somehow, don't you? Although, it does make me think of samurai and upper-class ladies hiding themselves with veils and stuff too, heh.

Of the dialects I think I love Fukuoka-ben and Sendai-ben the best - they're so weird in comparison to Tokyo-ben or even Kyoto-ben, which as I understand it is the most polite-sounding even in casual conversation because they've retained so much of the older forms.
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Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:23 am Post subject:

I sadly have not yet gotten a real 'feel' for dialects (even -nu) T_T

How weird are Fukuoka-ben and Sendai-ben?

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

Well, I believe Sendai-ben uses different particles than those generally used elsewhere. For example, to say "I'm going to the bookstore" (which is totally where I would go, haha) you normally say 本屋へ行く or　本屋に行く, right? In Sendai-ben you'd say 本屋さ行く。 I think を...　is ば, so "I'm going to the bookstore to buy a dictionary" is 辞書ば買うように本屋さ行く。 I'm pretty sure /you ni/ isn't different, but I could be wrong. Fukuoka-ben uses /batten/ for /kedo/, and instead of having adjectives end in /-i/ they end in /-ka/. I think a lot of it is similar to other dialects though, like /ken/ for /kara/ and using /ya/ instead of /da/ (copula). And I think they might use /oru/ instead of /iru/ (being). Google is not working for me at the moment, but when it starts up again I'll find the site I got all this from and post it for you. Very Happy

I'm not sure how accurate it is though - I don't really trust the internet. Rolling Eyes

Can you tell? Haha.
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I would like to learn:
Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
Main conlangs:
ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:33 am Post subject:

That's weird and cool! Awesome! IDK why I like it, it's just awesome. Do they use /yuku/ or /iku/? I've never figured out who uses which.

(Wouldn't you use /tame ni/ instead of /you ni/ there?)

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

I think they use /yuku/ at least in Fukuoka - and, btw, that's where I'm studying abroad next spring and I'm SO excited for it!! Sendai-ben might even use a different word for /desu/, like /gansu/ - instead of "konbanwa" they say "oban de gansu"...? That might be somewhere else. Or it could be a lingering memory from my Westerns&Samurai films class last semester... Laughing

I shoulda been asleep an hour and a half ago, soon's I got home from work.

Would it be /tame/? I kinda thought they're interchangeable in that context. I'd look at my textbook but that would require that I get up. Wink

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I have some small knowledge of:
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I would like to learn:
Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
Main conlangs:
ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:41 am Post subject:

That's cool. Lucky you get to go to anywhere >_>
Never heard 'oban de gansu' before.

I would use tame, you sounds there like 'I'm going to the bookstore like I'm buying a book'. I could be wrong though, you might be able to use you for that.

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

Well, I have to work my butt off to afford it since I have yet to have any luck with scholarships, but my school is amazing with its expansive network of study-abroad locations. If you want to go to a college with a sweet Japanese language program and good study-abroad options I recommend my school - the University of Pittsburgh!! Very Happy

Though, your level of Japanese probably would have you test out of the first 2 years so you'd miss all the fun, but 3rd and 4th year I hear are very decent, and there's Intro to Classical and I think a reading class for learning advanced kanji.

I'll check my textbook tomorrow, when I'm awake, and hem and haw over it before posting again. (^_^) G'nite!
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I would like to learn:
Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
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ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:48 am Post subject:

If they offer Linguistics as an undergraduate major, I'll definitely take a look.
IDK how much I could test out of, my vocab level is pitiful.

お休み!

Hemicomputer · Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 610 Location: Calgary, Alberta

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject:

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

achemel · Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate

Hey also, for making vocab for your conlangs: something that works well for me is to just go through my conlang's alphabet (romanized, if it doesn't actually go by an alphabet) and just come up with random combinations within the parameters of my phonology, and then keep those "words" as stock. Then, when I need a word, I go through and look for one that... feels right. Razz

It's like the word connects with what I'm looking for in my head, and then it gets set as new vocab. When I don't find one that "feels right" I look to see if it can be made of a combination of already-existing vocab elements, and if nothing comes to mind after that and the situation is reasonable sometimes I just make it a loanword from another natural or conlang. I don't know if you've tried any of that, but that's my own personal method. ...Generally. (^_^)
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I have some small knowledge of:
English, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Spanish, French
I would like to learn:
Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
Main conlangs:
ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah

Tolkien_Freak · Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:40 am Post subject:

Sweet, I can add a fourth school I'm aware of that has an undergrad linguistics program ^_^

And I like that vocab idea. I'll have to try it.