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TC: The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost
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Aert



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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: TC: The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost Reply with quote

Very good poem, although I don't know if I did it justice - my translation is a bit sticky...

Quote:
The Road Not Taken

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.


In (yet again) reworked Aert (I swear I'm almost done changing it around Wink ):

Quote:
Ćrnoų Isc Dsgesnv

Ćz ćrn shwin dz Blẃsoų źeẃhil,
gents isc V dẃldsnf sc
gerr Snvhd, V spy Teiń
sųsśen hs rr ćrn f vh fw V sẃld
Rm r If sovthz dz min-Haẃjoų;

Stelẃ svn gloų, inj presyųm,
ẃrinoi yђiń ųrsatzoų injśy,
Winć If sgeflendog If soẃh minoi;
Eodom ll vnoioų rhiśt
Sminrn Fen yin jonntoų,

went hch Hgliś preśyųm sųђoar
Dz frin isc d vinyoi bẃrn ђnt.
Jźẃ, V spoaź mbwenthoų ђegcrel Glśy!
Eodom ifnoi ln ćrmin Fen alų ćrmin,
V smhoi jśe amn V cselebohųm.

V bųźeroi ll hųuinų
Cr Tevnćyv wgẃ:
Ćz ćrn shwin dz Blẃsoų V
V vn crrų en sųsnv,
ll bẃdgenndrn fetov.


I can provide a semi-gloss if anyone wants it.

EDIT: editted to the new letter-forms etc, and other rules of which have just changed...


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(I might post a Spanish translation in a bit as well, I need the practice; anyone here fluent?)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toyature Toya (Emitareaze)
travel-NEG-ATT road (Emitare-INST)

Uriljatu toyamine elhiesoe myanai,
un-converge-PAST road-two.STAT yellow-ATT forest-INESS
Toyatuzigurunulayu toyamilj
travel-POT-NEG-PAST-bad-and 1.STAT road-UNIV.STAT
Ke toyaleru, osaiu voretu
thing* travel-person-COP-NEG, long-ADV stand-PAST 1.STAT
Yalunu ke toyamako osayo yaluzigime
look-PAST-and thing* road-PERL** long-SUFFICIENT see-POT-NOM-COMP***
Ka ralate menai ugotayakimai;
3.STAT**** turn-ATT place-ALL below-grow-NOM-INESS

*The word 'ke' (thing) is used when something must be specifically singular.
**Perlative can be used for 'along' (or 'down' in this context)
***Literally 'far enough as my being able to see' (a bit weird in English)
****In this case, 'ke' is 3.sg.

Sadly, can't do much more without major vocab work. Wish I could have done it more poetically, but oh well.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here comes some Spanish!

Quote:
La calle no tomado

Dos caminos seperan en un bosque amarillo,
Y perdn que no poda viajar ambos
Y ser un viajero, largo me qued
Y mir hacia abajo un tan lejos como podra
Adonde se curva en la maleza;

Luego tom el otro, tan justo como bonito,
Y teniendo quiez el derecho mejor
Porque era cubiertido, y quiso uso;
Anque en cuanto a eso, el hollando* all
Ha las gastado en verdad el mismo.

Y ambos esa maana echaron por igual
En hojas que no pies ha hollado negro.
Ah, guard el primo para un otro da!
Anque sabiendo que caminos tienden a caminos,
Yo dud que si jams vaya a volver.

Yo yendo decir esto con un suspiro
En algn sitio de aqu edades y edades:
Dos caminos seperan en un bosque, y yo
Yo tom la viajado menor por^,
Y eso ha marcado toda la diferencia.


* pasando?
^va?

Kyonides, do you mind looking this over quickly please? Thanks!

(Yay, I now have this poem in 3 languages!)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want it in natlangs, I can do it in Japanese:

行かなかった道
Ikanakatta Michi

道二つは、黄色の森に分かれた。
両方を行ってまだ一人である事が
できないと思って、長く立って
一つを見た見えるほどに
下草に曲がった場所へ。

Michi futatsu wa, kiiro no mori ni wakareta.
Ryouhou wo itte mada hitori de aru koto ga
Dekinai to omotte, nagaku tatte
Hitotsu wo mita mieru hodo ni
Shitakusa ni magatta basho e.

そして、ほかを見て、同じで美しい、
草があって持ちが無かったから
もっと良い債権があるかもしらなくて、
だけど、それは、そこで行きは
まことに、同じで草臥れた。

Soshite, hoka wo mite, onaji de utsukushii,
Kusa ga atte mochi ga nakatta kara
Motto ii saiken ga aru ka mo shiranakute,
Da kedo, sore wa, soko de iki wa
Makoto ni, onaji de kutabireta.

その朝で、両方は、同じで
どの足も歩かなかった葉にあった。
ああ、第一はほかの日のために残した!
だけど、道が道になると知って、
何時か帰るかと疑った。

Sono asa de, ryouhou wa, onaji de
Dono ashi mo arukanakatta ha ni atta.
Aa, daiichi wa hoka no hi no tame ni nokoshita!
Da kedo, michi ga michi ni naru to shitte,
Itsuka kaeru to utagatta.

ため息とこれを話す
何所かこれから何年か
道二つは森に分かれて、私は-
ほかほど行かなかった道を行った。
そのことは、大変な差になった。

Tameiki to kore wo hanasu
Dokoka korekara nannen ka
Michi futatsu wa mori ni wakatte, watashi wa -
Hoka hodo ikanakatta michi wo itta.
Sono koto wa, taihen na sa ni natta.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice! Very Happy

Would you be able to provide a gloss?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they still use the kanji for どこ?Certainly here it seems more poetic to use the kanji, but I hardly see it anywhere really.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
Do they still use the kanji for どこ?Certainly here it seems more poetic to use the kanji, but I hardly see it anywhere really.


I'm just being weird here, 'cause I like kanji ^_^

Gloss:
Explanations:
MZ - Mizenkei - negative form
RY - ren'youkei - continuative form (can be used for NOM)
CONT - 'continuation', IDK how else to gloss this - kind of like 'and', and yet not (and different from RY)
EXTENT - a weird particle that marks the degree of something
ALSO - a particle that means... 'also'
LOC - 2 different LOCs, ni for place of being, de for place of doing

Ikanakatta Michi
go.MZ-NEG-PAST road

Michi futatsu wa, kiiro no mori ni wakareta.
road two TOPIC, yellow GEN forest LOC split-PAST.
Ryouhou wo itte mada hitori de aru koto ga
both ACC go.CONT still one.person be thing NOM
Dekinai to omotte, nagaku tatte
can-NEG QUOT thing-CONT, long.RY stand-CONT
Hitotsu wo mita mieru hodo ni
one ACC see-PAST, visible limit ALL
Shitakusa ni magatta basho e.
undergrowth LOC turn-PAST place TOWARDS.

Soshite, hoka wo mite, onaji de utsukushii,
then, other ACC see-CONT, same EXTENT beautiful,
Kusa ga atte mochi ga nakatta kara
Grass NOM is-CONT use NOM is.not-PAST because
Motto ii saiken ga aru ka mo shiranakute,
more good claim NOM is INTERROG ALSO know.MZ-NEG-CONT,
Da kedo, sore wa, soko de iki wa
is but, that TOPIC, there LOC go.RY TOPIC
Makoto ni, onaji de kutabireta.
truth LOC, same EXTENT wear-PAST.

Sono asa de, ryouhou wa, onaji de
that morning LOC, both TOPIC, same EXTENT
Dono ashi mo arukanakatta ha ni atta.
which foot ALSO walk.MZ-NEG-PAST leaf LOC is-PAST.
Aa, daiichi wa hoka no hi no tame ni nokoshita!
INTERJ, first TOPIC other GEN day GEN purpose LOC/ALL/something leave-PAST!
Da kedo, michi ga michi ni naru to shitte,
is but, road TOPIC road ALL(I think) become QUOT know-CONT,
Itsuka kaeru to utagatta.
sometime (when-INTERROG) return QUOT doubt-PAST.

Tameiki to kore wo hanasu
sigh COM this ACC tell
Dokoka kore kara nannen ka
somewhere (where-INTERROG) this ABL how.many.years INTERROG
Michi futatsu wa mori ni wakatte, watashi wa -
road two TOPIC forest LOC diverge-CONJ, 1 TOPIC
Hoka hodo ikanakatta michi wo itta.
other limit go.MZ-NEG-PAST road ACC go-PAST.
Sono koto wa, taihen na sa ni natta.
that thing TOPIC, great ATT difference ALL become-PAST.

Gah, it's hard to know how to gloss all those ni's!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, thanks! I'm hoping to take Japanese next year, it looks really neat Very Happy

There; I now have this poem in English, Spanish, rt (and gloss), and Japanese (and Romanji and gloss), and Emitare first stanza Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak, 日本語で話すか?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ちょっとだけ。文法をよく知るけど、知る言葉は多くない。かなり辞書を使うの。
本当の話を決してしなかった。
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

日本語ができる人はすごいと思うよ~!この詩を翻訳してくれてありがとう!Has anyone an interest in "Jabberwocky" by Lewis Carroll? I found it in Welsh and Japanese after I read and memorized it in English and thought it was just so cool. (^_^) And difficult to translate, with all the nonsense words.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ありがとうございます~! (IDK how to say 'you're welcome' in Japanese.)

I would love to see that in Japanese, I wonder how they did the nonsense stuff.
Welsh must be crazy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also am interested.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do love Jabberwocky.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well... I could've sworn I found the links somewhere on omniglot.com but after checking briefly they either aren't actually there or I just didn't look hard enough. Razz However, I found the Japanese version elsewhere, and also a site with over 50 variations in different languages:

Japanese: http://timwerx.net/odds/jab/index.htm

Other: http://www76.pair.com/keithlim/jabberwocky/

Welsh is on there, somewhere. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like it uses quite a lot of onomatopoeia, especially in verbs. Quite a few nonsensical kanji combinations too (the one for Jabberwocky itself is the kanji for wrong-tooth-speaking-suffering (but it sounds like Jabberwocky when the on'yomi and kun'yomi are mixed right: jabawaku)).
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it great? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed ^_^
Nonsense poems have to be the absolute hardest to translate, especially stuff like Jabberwocky where the nonsense sounds like it could mean something, it just doesn't.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be cool if the nonsense words in "Jabberwocky" meant something in someone's conlang, randomly. (^_^) How would they translate it then, I wonder?
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