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The Alurhsa Word for Constructed: Creativity in both scripts and languages
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Hemicomputer
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 Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:04 am Post subject: The Creation / Ðu Kinkinig |
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Kandisk:
Kerz Onin: Ðu Kinkinig
"Ež modil skün, as leuð ež modil."
Fahr oft šenek Hheron on zae kinken gašt sa kehlen. As fahr vehd ir täsk ðan ftura özemel oft geušek as täsk mod san mants ökehlen vae. As ir nohð Hheron, as straenz ved zae. Zae šenek:
"Kiü hateu ež mants euefa as behls, lo ða hašu o kehlen zär kenoht."
Lo irs ehateuk. As fahr vehd ir täsk san mants nohð ða hašu o kehlen. As zär šenek:
"Eue! Gel veh äsa kehlen! Kiü kinkin födir öfreuelig!"
As fahr födir oft ekinken.
English:
Book One: The Creation
"For all things a beginning, and an end for all things."
So had said Hheron when s/he created the universe. And so it came to be that the stars had shone in the sky and that humanity lived in the universe. And Hheron saw this and was pleased. S/He said:
"Now give eyes and ears for humanity, so they can see the beauty of life."
So these were given. And so it was that the humans saw the beauty of life. And they said:
"Oh! Our world is great! Now let us make music in celebration!"
And so music was created. |
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StrangeMagic
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Book One: The Creation
"For all things a beginning, and an end for all things."
So had said Hheron when s/he created the universe. And so it came to be that the stars had shone in the sky and that humanity lived in the universe. And Hheron saw this and was pleased. S/He said:
"Now give eyes and ears for humanity, so they can see the beauty of life."
So these were given. And so it was that the humans saw the beauty of life. And they said:
"Oh! Our world is great! Now let us make music in celebration!"
And so music was created.
Héavina Nilg: Tarust
"As stingeli stegun, oun as stingeli anfin charaméa."
Héron pulu yuanazé tarust' tombokilanan. Oun vala shoriaga frefona gawangilaz oun kurilga yuanazénonaré grilaz qotilanan. Oun Héron ku balupilanan oun jandasa. Tombokilanan:
"Laéia yaiuga oun monga as kurilga charaméa, vala goladiorict desi nalmiak minéa balupir." Vala kuga charalana. Oun vala kurilga goladiorict desi nalmiak balupilaz. Oun tobokilaz:
"Ya. Naégamart mukula niebéan shi! Laéia portart hazéméyé as nombindié!"
Oun vala potart tarustiz.
Héavina Nilg: Tarust
"As stingeli stegun, oun as stingeli anfin chara-méa."
Héron pulu yuanazé tarust-' tombok-ilanan. Oun vala shoria-ga fref-ona gawang-il-az oun kuril-ga yuanazé-nonaré gr-il-az qot-ilanan. Oun Héron ku balup-ilanan oun jandasa. Tombok-ilanan:
"Laéia yaiu-ga oun mon-ga as kuril-ga chara-méa, vala goladiorict desi nalmiak min-éa balupir." Vala ku-ga chara-lana. Oun vala kuril-ga goladiorict desi nalmiak balup-il-az. Oun tobok-il-az:
"Ya. Naé-ga-mart mukula nieb-éan sh-i! Laéia portart hazé-méyé as nombindié!"
Oun vala potart tarust-i-z.
Book One: Create
"For everything beginning, and for everything end give-IMP."
Hheron when universe create-(LACKING MYTHIC) to say-MYTHIC. And so star-PLU sky-INN to shine-3rdPLU-PST and human-PLU universe-INN to live-3rdPLU-PST to happen-MYTHIC. And Hheron this to see-MYTHIC and pleased. To say-MYTHIC:
"Now eye-PLU and ear-PLU for human-PLU to give-IMP, so beauty of world to be able to-IMP to see." So this-PLU to give-MYTHIC. And so human-PLU beauty of world to see-3rdPLU-PST. And to say3rdPLU-PST:
"Oh. I-PLU-POSS world to be good-COMP to be-3rd-PRS! Now music to make-IMP for celebration!"
And so music to create-3rd-PST |
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Hemicomputer
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Thanks! Two questions: what is INN? Why is it -ona for stars and -nonaré for humans?
Also, here's X-SAMPA for the Kandisk:
/EtS modil skyn Az lUT EtS modil/
/fA_hr\ Oft SEnEk xEron on tsaI kinken gASt sA kE_hlEn/
/Az fA_hr\ vE_hd ir\ tesk Dan ftur\A 2tsEmEl Oft gUSEk Az tesk mod sAn mAnts 2kE_hlEn vaI/
/Az ir\ no_hT xEr\on Az straInts vE_hd tsaI/
/tsaI SEnEk kiy hatU EtS mAnts OIfA Az bE_hls lo DA haSu o kE_hlEn tser\ kEno_ht/
/lo ir\s EhatUk/
/Az fA_hr\ vE_hd ir\ tesk sAn mAnts no_hT DA haSu o kE_hlEn/
/Az tser SEnEk OI/
/gEl vE_h esA kE_hlEn/
/kiy kinkin f2dir\ 2fr\OIlig/
/Az fA_hr\ f2dir\ Oft Ekinken/ |
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StrangeMagic
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Hemicomputer wrote: | | Thanks! Two questions: what is INN? Why is it -ona for stars and -nonaré for humans? |
INN is the Innessive case in Eleypherion.
Star and human have no effect on what the innessive ending is, it is actually what they are in, so it is the "sky" and the "universe" which affects it.
As sky is fref - ending in a consonant and is singular, we add -ona.
But as universe is yuanazé - ending in either a, e, é or u and is singular, we add -nonaré.
If the noun ending in an "i" or "o", we would add -laraté.
And for each of the three above, we would add -onani, nonaren or -lareten if the noun was plural (and in that case, we would not need to add the plural suffix -ga)
(Or at least I made that last bit up. Haha, as I forgot that I would have added -ga, so it would end in -onani regardless. Hmm... I'm not sure what to do. Haha What do you think?) |
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Hemicomputer
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| StrangeMagic wrote: | | Star and human have no effect on what the innessive ending is, it is actually what they are in, so it is the "sky" and the "universe" which affects it. |
Yeah, I meant to say sky/universe. Got confused about the translation. 
| StrangeMagic wrote: | | (details of Eleypherion) |
OK. Thanks for that.
| StrangeMagic wrote: | | Hmm... I'm not sure what to do. Haha What do you think?) |
Personally I would drop the -ga when -onani is used, since that would be shorter and not as redundant. Bear in mind, though, I have a strong bias towards simplicity and removing superfluous affixes. Keeping the -ga is just as good of an option, as it would lend the language some of that "quirkiness/realisticness" that is so prized in conlanging. In the end, it's your choice. |
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mrtoast2
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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 Yes, a strong bias.
EDIT: Here is the Gwakkian translation!
Lén kwõlvát óndénśóč: čán gáfrúk
“Bóf kôśônák tôtálnák vórškúpûgér éln kómpéntâś, ét bóf kôśônák tôtálnák vórškúpûgér éd fínśártêl.” Déhérón drótvénrál trálréndérdrénkén évnád kômpáśkét vén hágéntônár mákénšîn Tôstgwákâ. Ét évnád hágéntônár mákénšîn kômpáśkét kán dônén žíśmáśkén dérźánkrón lén mólprênõk hágrén šánhôbrítlórf ét dônén gwákénák hágénśát vílréntlórf dér Tôśtgwákâ. Hérón hágénśátśín lénkántônár nád éthágén drãtônár úrkâ. Vén hágéntônár réndérdrén “Étśárk vórškúpûgrákśín rál dônén gwákénák čánén ámpórtínák ét lénén klîtôkén pôm dônén gwákénák pánôpśílhátâ lénkánkâ kán dón kórbérk drônén śéltâ.” Ét évnádén hágénśát drãtônár étśárktrál. Ét dônén gwákénák hágénśát lénkánlórf kán dón kórbérk drônén śéltâ. Vénén hágénlórf réndérdrén “Nôbrôśt Tôśtgwákâ glônén źánkrón. Mákén étśárkvíśkát dér ûbéntãl górknák.” Ét čán ûbéntãl hágénśát drãtônár mákénšîntrál.
Note: "Tôśtgwákâ" is used a substitute for "World" and "universe", as that is the gwakkian way of expressing all realms of existence, in accordance with the gwakkian worldview of Gwakkian ethnocentricity.
"Gwákénák" is used for "humans", as that is the gwakkian way of expressing all meaningful beings, with those of other countries being considered less worthy.
EDIT: X-SAMPA
/bOf Xoson{X t`ot`{ln{X vOr\SX@pugEr\ Eln XOmpEnt`As, Et` bOf Xoson{X t`ot`{ln{X vOr\SX@pugEr\ Ed fInsar\tel./
/dECEr\On dr\Ot`vEnr\{l t`r\{lr\EndEr\dr\EnXEn Evn{d Xomp{sXEt` vEn C{gEnt`onAr\ m{XEnSin t`ost`gw{XA/
/Et Evn{d C{gEnt`on{r\ m{XEnSin Xomp{sXEt` X{n donEn ZIsm{sXEn dEr\z{nXr\On lEn mOlpr\enoIX C{grEn S{nCobr\It`lOr\f Et donEn gw{XEn{X C{gEns{t` vIlr\Ent`lOr\f dEr\ t`ost`gw{XA/
/CEr\On C{gEns{t`sIn lEnX{nt`onar\ n{d EtC{gEn dr\aIt`onar\ @r\XA/
/vEn C{gEnt`onar\ r\EndEr\dr\En/
/Et`sarX vOrSX@pugr\{XsIn r\{l donEn gw{XEn{X tS{nEn {mpOr\t`In{X Et` lEnEn Xlit`oXEn pom donEn gw{XEn{X p{nopsIlC{t`A lEnX{nXA X{n don XOr\bEr\X dr\onEn sElt`A/
/Et` Evn{dEn C{gEns{t` dr\aIt`onar Et`sarXt`r\{l/
/Et` donEn gw{XEn{X C{gEns{t` lEnX{nlOr\f X{n dOn XOr\bEr\X dr\onEn sElt`A/
/vEnEn C{gEnlOr\f r\EndEr\dr\En/
/nobr\ost` t`ost`gw{XA glonEn z{nXr\On/
/m{XEn Et`sar\XvIsX{t` dEr\ ubEnt`aIl gOr\Xn{X/
/Et` tS{n ubEnt`aIl C{gEns{t` dr\aIt`onar\ m{XEnSint`r\{l/
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StrangeMagic
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Hemicomputer wrote: | | StrangeMagic wrote: | | Star and human have no effect on what the innessive ending is, it is actually what they are in, so it is the "sky" and the "universe" which affects it. |
Yeah, I meant to say sky/universe. Got confused about the translation.
| StrangeMagic wrote: | | (details of Eleypherion) |
OK. Thanks for that.
| StrangeMagic wrote: | | Hmm... I'm not sure what to do. Haha What do you think?) |
Personally I would drop the -ga when -onani is used, since that would be shorter and not as redundant. Bear in mind, though, I have a strong bias towards simplicity and removing superfluous affixes. Keeping the -ga is just as good of an option, as it would lend the language some of that "quirkiness/realisticness" that is so prized in conlanging. In the end, it's your choice. |
Haha, no problem. ^_^ And yeah, I don't know, I might just say that -ga can be dropped, because otherwise the other endings would never be used then. Thank you. |
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eldin raigmore
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| StrangeMagic wrote: | | Hemicomputer wrote: | | Thanks! Two questions: what is INN? |
INN is the Innessive case in Eleypherion. |
Ought to be spelled "inessive" and may ought to be abbreviated "-INESS".
"Inessive" is the case for nouns that something is in.
("Illative" is the case for nouns that something goes into.)
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StrangeMagic
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| eldin raigmore wrote: | | StrangeMagic wrote: | | Hemicomputer wrote: | | Thanks! Two questions: what is INN? |
INN is the Innessive case in Eleypherion. |
Ought to be spelled "inessive" and may ought to be abbreviated "-INESS".
"Inessive" is the case for nouns that something is in.
("Illative" is the case for nouns that something goes into.) |
Oh, ah I see, thank you very much. ^_^ |
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