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Vreleksá The Alurhsa Word for Constructed: Creativity in both scripts and languages
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kyonides
Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 301
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: The Train... |
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English:
The train won't arrive at the station today because the railway / railroad was destroyed by the earthquake recently.
Spanish:
El tren no podrá arribar hoy a la estación porque la vía férrea fue destruida recientemente por el último terremoto.
Kexyana:
Draunkande poselse lirai nin re vesha Galnas axavi Lorsgyena dens Gaenerva anvylgo kenyos.
smoke-machine neg-can-arrive-FUT today because (or by/for-what) destroy-4th PERS-PRET iron-way/-road during earth-movement last-adv recent-adv.
Please feel free to correct the English version if needed. _________________ Seos nivo adgene Kizne tikelke
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Hemicomputer
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 610 Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Tlî júvan, dovs kúci gí trén tú úenswl tâ, ushámu gí sint xi telvotct jî omoskẁrxálț.
/tKOI 'Zuv{n NaI t4en tu wEn'sUl DOfs 'kuSi tau @s'RAm@ NaI sint Xi tEl'vOtSt ZOI OmOs'kU4XAlT/
tlî júvan, dovs kúci tâ gí trén tú úen-swl, ushámu gí sint xi tel-votct jî om-oskẁr-xálț.
this day, destination 3-poss the train fut.remote neg-come into, because the way pst.near be-destroy a land-jump-ins
The English you provided is fine, so don't worry. |
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dusepo

Joined: 12 Feb 2008 Posts: 129
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Retafon:
pānasōg en-pesōs tato hāpat leg-tak, galaf thāne-taremā kōsakas pānasōg-pān pepeto-taq.
train not-travel towards station now-day. because earth-shake attack train-road past-days. _________________ My Website |
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mrtoast2

Joined: 19 Feb 2008 Posts: 123 Location: Goromonzi
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Lén kóréldśínk śálnônžénvânžélvâk rál lén ómprít dér búkśkânón nád hétlâktô kômpáśkét lén kóréldśínkvánér hágénśát drãtônár ákénšîntrál lîśãmákéngértén bóf lén álbértšíśêkrán dér rámtén.
The rail-car neg.-come-fut. to the place of meeting this day as the rail-car-mover did be destroyed young-adv. with the shaker of land. _________________ Tôśt drônén kókślán! Vón kríngénã Tôśt! Gâgén šníkél dér îwâ! |
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kyonides
Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 301
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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dusepo wrote: | Retafon:
pānasōg en-pesōs tato hāpat leg-tak, galaf thāne-taremā kōsakas pānasōg-pān pepeto-taq.
train not-travel towards station now-day. because earth-shake attack train-road past-days. |
Is there any way to express the idea of something being destroyed earlier that day? Or is this the only way a Retafon speaker would say that? _________________ Seos nivo adgene Kizne tikelke
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dusepo

Joined: 12 Feb 2008 Posts: 129
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:33 am Post subject: |
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kyonides wrote: | dusepo wrote: | Retafon:
pānasōg en-pesōs tato hāpat leg-tak, galaf thāne-taremā kōsakas pānasōg-pān pepeto-taq.
train not-travel towards station now-day. because earth-shake attack train-road past-days. |
Is there any way to express the idea of something being destroyed earlier that day? Or is this the only way a Retafon speaker would say that? |
I guess you could say "pepeto-leg-tak" (earlier today, literally "past-now-day"). _________________ My Website |
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achemel
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:38 am Post subject: |
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Here's a swing at Japanese. TF, correct me if I'm wrong. (^_^)
鉄道は今度の地震に壊されたので、今日、電車は駅に着かない。
tetsudou wa kondo no jishin ni kowasareta no de, kyou densha wa eki ni tsukanai.
tetsudou wa kondo no jishin ni kowas-are-ta no de kyou densha wa eki ni tsuk-anai
/railroad TOP recent ATT earthquake by* destroy-PASS-PAST(ta-kei) because*, today train TOP station LOC* arrive-NEG/
Wow... that was harder than I thought.
TF, the stars are for you to correct me and put in the right names for these things... I know what I want to say but I don't know what they are!  _________________ I have some small knowledge of:
English, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Spanish, French
I would like to learn:
Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
Main conlangs:
ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah |
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Tolkien_Freak

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1231 Location: in front of my computer. always.
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:18 am Post subject: |
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Looks good ^_^
I'd use 最近(さいきん)instead of 今度, though, 今度 is more of 'this time' or 'next time'. (You just taught me 着く, though ^_^)
I'd gloss it a bit differently, from a Japanocentric perspective (few, if any, western grammars seem to describe Japanese the way Japanese grammars do... s weird):
tetsudou wa saikin no jishin ni kowasa-re-ta no de, kyou, densha wa eki ni tsuka-nai.
railroad TOPIC recent GEN earthquake AGENT destroy.MZ-PASS.RY-PAST.RT NOM COP.CONTINUATION (or something, maybe COP.RY since that's the same form as COP.RY-て) , today, train TOPIC station ALL(maybe? LOC might be just fine) arrive.MZ-NEG.SS.
MZ=mizenkei (negative/'unreal' form)
RY=ren'youkei (a kind of continuative form, the one -ます attaches to)
RT=rentaikei (=ATT generally, form almost always =SS except with keiyoudoushi (adjs with だ) and だ)
SS=shuushikei (uninflected form) |
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achemel
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:42 am Post subject: |
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We're just learning the right terms for these things NOW, haha.
I thought about using 最近の but after much hemming and hawing over my dictionary I decided to go with 今度の. Although, now that I think about it again, it's possible that there was more than just one earthquake, and it wasn't necessarily the most recent one which did the destruction, so maybe 最近 would be better after all...
AGENT. I knew I knew the word but it was buried somewhere in the recesses of my brain... Hooray! _________________ I have some small knowledge of:
English, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Spanish, French
I would like to learn:
Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
Main conlangs:
ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah |
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Tolkien_Freak

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1231 Location: in front of my computer. always.
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:39 am Post subject: |
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achemel wrote: | We're just learning the right terms for these things NOW, haha. |
Wo-----w. <_<
('Bout a year ago I started writing a Japanese textbook just for fun, and these concepts come up at the very beginning. (I might show that around here a little, I need to keep working on it...))
Quote: | I thought about using 最近の but after much hemming and hawing over my dictionary I decided to go with 今度の. Although, now that I think about it again, it's possible that there was more than just one earthquake, and it wasn't necessarily the most recent one which did the destruction, so maybe 最近 would be better after all... |
What's your dictionary say for 今度? Jisho.org's entry is 'now; this time; next time; another time'.
Quote: | AGENT. I knew I knew the word but it was buried somewhere in the recesses of my brain... Hooray! |
^_^
I bet there's a proper abbreviation (or maybe a different word entirely) for glossing, but I was too lazy to look it up ^_^ |
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achemel
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 556 Location: up for debate
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Well, I looked at tangorin.com and compared it with my friend's 電子辞書 and, while tangorin had the same definition as jisho.org the other dictionary had examples that made me think maybe 今度 would be more appropriate. _________________ I have some small knowledge of:
English, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Spanish, French
I would like to learn:
Italian, Norwegian, Gaelic
Main conlangs:
ddamachel, tadvaradcel, ra cel, lashel, hemnalg, nomah |
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