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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Nzoegau Reply with quote

Scanner is fixed! I'll have a full character set with many more soon.



Also, "Vwoenzaeng" is meaningless, just a test of the letters.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's cool-looking! Sort of futuristic-looking.

Don't we all just love vertscripts?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a futuristic Mongolian. I like.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What they said.

I look forward to when you can tell us more.

Is this an alphabet? It seems so. OTOH in some ways it looks more like a syllabary or an abugida.

But maybe it's a featurography, or an abjad, or an abugida, or a syllabary.
I don't think it can be a logography, can it? Probably not an abjad, either, though I could be wrong.

If it's an alphabet, how does it connect to the sounds of your conlang?
(Same if it's a featurography, abjad, abugida, or syllabary.)

If it's a logography, how does it connect to the lexicon and morphology of your conlang?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it looks kind of like Ethopic characters. Cool script though, nice work.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:

Is this an alphabet?


Yes. It is.

elden raigmore wrote:

If it's an alphabet, how does it connect to the sounds of your conlang?


The letters represent individual sounds. Most of which are combinations of two of what the Latin script calls "letters".

As I said, full list of letters/sounds coming soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's two letters, wouldn't it be a syllabary?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



T_F, i guess it is a syllabary. Oops. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hemicomputer wrote:


T_F, i guess it is a syllabary. Oops. Embarassed


That ain't no syllabary.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it isn't. It's just a bunch of digraphs.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah. Well, I'm not all that good with the boundaries between alphabets, syllabaries, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hemicomputer wrote:
Ah. Well, I'm not all that good with the boundaries between alphabets, syllabaries, etc.


Basically it goes like this.

The most natural things for individual graphemes to denote, are either morphemes -- the smallest meaningful parts of words -- or syllables.

If a writing-system's graphemes mostly denote morphemes, that's a "logography". Most logographies have a radical-and-determiner system like the cuneiform scripts and like the main Chinese script.

Certain languages are better-suited to logographic writing-systems than others. For instance an isolating language is more suited than a fusional language or a polysynthetic language.

If a writing-system's graphemes mostly denote syllables, that's a "syllabary". Certain languages are better-suited to syllabiries than others. For instance a language (e.g. Korean or Japanese) with a simple, consistent syllable-structure, such as (C)V, or maybe (C)V(C) or (C)(C)V, would be better-suited for a syllabary than, for instance, the many Indo-European and especially Germanic languages with (C)(C)(C)(C)V(V)(C)(C)(C) or (C)(C)(C)V(V)(C)(C)(C)(C) syllable-structures.

Some writing-system's graphemes mostly denote phonemes -- the individual sounds of the language.

If most characters fall into two classes -- those that denote consonants, and those that denote vowels -- and most consonants are denoted each by its own character, and most vowels are denoted each by its own character -- then that's an "alphabet".

Alphabets are appropriate for most languages. Difficulties may arise in denoting tone in tonal languages; and for some languages syllabaries and/or logographies are more convenient; but in general these are not very major, and an alphabet would be a good way to go.

Some writing-systems have characters for consonants, but do not have characters for vowels. Such a writing system is called an "abjad".

An abjad is appropriate for a language in which almost all of each word's meaning is carried by its consonants, and the rest can be guessed. For instance, in "Triconsonantal Root System" languages, the root meaning of a word is carried by its consonants, and its vowels tell which inflection to apply.

Sometimes the writers of an abjad have a reason for wishing to write something that will guide the reader to selecting the correct vowels. Often a system of "points", or diacritical marks, will be developed to do that. Such a system is a "pointed abjad".

An "abugida" is a kind of hybrid between an abjad and a syllabary. Each character represents a consonant, but it also represents a syllable -- that consonant with an "inherent" or "associated" vowel. Abugidas are appropriate only to languages with mostly CV syllable-structure, with maybe some VC syllables at the beginnings of words and/or CVC syllables at the ends of words. Abugidas always have a way to change the vowel. If a consonant is written without one of those vowel-changing marks, then it is followed by the vowel that "goes with it" (which must be memorized); otherwise, it is followed by the vowel indicated by the diacritical mark (or by no vowel if that's what the diacritical mark indicates -- abugidas almost all have such a mark.)

A "featurography" is like an alphabet or a syllabary; but a "featurography" is a system in which almost all of almost every "letter" is composed of marks that show what features the phoneme has; for instance, there may be a mark for place-of-articulation (e.g. labial or alveolar or velar), a mark for manner-of-articulation (e.g. nasal or stop or fricative), and a mark for voiced-or-unvoiced. Alexander Melville Bell's "Visible Speech" is such a system.

(As for "what are features?", Roman Jakobson's set of 12 "distinctive features" is one hypothesis.)

Hangul, the Korean system, is at once a featurography, an alphabet, and a syllabary. There are marks indicating features. There are sub-characters indicating phonemes, and they are composed, for the most part, of the feature-indicating marks. And there are syllable-blocks, which are composed of a sub-character for the syllable-onset consonant (if any), a sub-character for the syllable-coda consonant (if any), a character for the vowel (or diphthong) which is the nucleus of the syllable, and a sub-character for the tone.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if it has one character per morphological morpheme and one per phoneme?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd get something really weird like Hanzi
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRETTY SCRIPTY! I wanna see more samples of it please!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aeetlrcreejl wrote:
What if it has one character per morphological morpheme and one per phoneme?
There aren't a lot of those. But one of the Japanese writing systems borrows logographs from Chinese for the roots (kanji) and then adds syllables from hiragana for the inflectional morphemes, derivational morphemes, and particles. I'd imagine all such mixed systems are like that; a combination of two systems, at least one of which is borrowed and very prestigious, but not appropriate for the language.

If the particles and non-root morphemes were written with an alphabet instead of with a syllabary, the system would be pretty much as you described.

OTOH if there really is a symbol for each morpheme, such mixing would be unnecessary, save when writing out the pronunciation of a foreign word. There'd be a symbol for each native morpheme so native words could be written out in such symbols without need for the symbols for phonemes. Only a "word" which did not consist of morphemes would need to be written out in symbols for phonemes; it would either not be a native word or would be a neologism.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it (but you know that).

How exactly is is written?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean the direction it's written in? It's written from top to bottom aka vertically.

P.S. I love this layout! I missed it.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serali wrote:
Do you mean the direction it's written in? It's written from top to bottom aka vertically.


Actually, it's bottom to top.

mrtoast2 wrote:
I like it (but you know that).


Thanks! Halibut forever!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serali wrote:
Do you mean the direction it's written in? It's written from top to bottom aka vertically.


Okay, I get it now.
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