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Aeetlrcreejl
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 Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: Neiriko |
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[ɑ]
[e]
[i]
[o]
[u]
[y]
[a]
[ɛ]
[ɪ]
[ɶ]
[ʊ]
[ʏ]
[ɒ]
[ɤ]
[ɨ]
[œ]
[ʉ]
[ɯ]
[ə]
[æ]
[ø]
[ɔ]
[ʌ]
[m]
[n]
[ɳ]
[ɲ]
[ŋ]
[p]
[b]
[t (laminal)]
[t (apical)]
[d (laminal)]
[d (apical)]
[ʈ]
[ɖ]
[c]
[ɟ]
[k]
[g]
[q]
[ɢ]
[ʔ]
[ɸ]
[β]
[f]
[v]
[θ]
[ð]
[s]
[z]
[ʃ]
[ʒ]
[ʂ]
[ʐ]
[ç]
[ʝ]
[x]
[ɣ]
[χ]
[ʁ]
[ħ]
[ʕ]
[ʢ]
[h]
[ʋ]
[ɹ]
[j]
[ɰ]
[w]
[ɥ]
[r]
[ɽ]
[ɹ]
[ɾ]
[ᴅ]
[ɬ]
[ɮ]
[l]
[ʎ]
[ɫ]
[ɬ̢]
[ɓ]
[ǃ]
[ɗ]
[pʼ]
[tʼ]
[cʼ]
[ʧ]
[ʤ]
[t͡s]
[d͡z]
[ɕ]
[ʑ]
Vowels have three degrees of length, can be nasalized, and take one of five tones.
Consonants can be labialized, labiodentalized, palatalized, and aspirated.
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Iwocwá ĵọṭãsák.
/iwotSwa_H d`Z`Ot`~asa_Hk/
[iocwa_H d`Z`Ot`_h~a_Hk]
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Aeetlrcreejl
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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If you would like me to send you my 140 case 10-number case chart, post your e-mail address and I'll send it to you (directed at Serali, langover94 and David).
I'm not telling you anything else about the grammar.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Oooh man..! |
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langover94
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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what?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| Aeetlrcreejl wrote: | | I'm not telling you anything else about the grammar. |
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langover94
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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omg... aeetlcreejl, why wont you tell us anymore grammar?
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Aeetlrcreejl
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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I'm keeping it secret. I'll tell you later.
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yssida
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Why is that?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| Aeetlrcreejl wrote: | | I'm keeping it secret. I'll tell you later. |
That sounds so funny when I say it to myself. Its almost as if you're whispering it in a stirring, cheeky kind of way. hehe |
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Aeetlrcreejl
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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I will tell you that as of now, the structure of a verb is:
Tense-Mood-Obj-Ind.Obj-Verb-Subj-Other.
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langover94
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Aeetlrcreejl wrote: | I will tell you that as of now, the structure of a verb is:
Tense-Mood-Obj-Ind.Obj-Verb-Subj-Other. |
that's just for a verb???  geez...
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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What's 'other'?
Your lang is awesome, Aeetl. |
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eldin raigmore
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| langover94 wrote: | | Aeetlrcreejl wrote: | | I will tell you that as of now, the structure of a verb is: Tense-Mood-Obj-Ind.Obj-Verb-Subj-Other. |
that's just for a verb??? geez... |
Well, the language is probably polysynthetic.
One question; Are the Obj, Ind.Obj, and Subj, incorporated into the verb, pronouns only, or "reduced pronouns" (or other agreement morphemes)? Or can they actually be nouns? If they can be nouns, can they only be non-specific, non-referential common nouns (the speaker doesn't have a particular one (or ones) in mind), or can they be specific/referential, or even definite -- or even proper nouns?
Possible criticisms:
(1) According to Bybee it's weird and unusualy to have the tense further from the verb than the mood, instead of the other way 'round.
(2) As far as clauses' word-order goes, OVS is the rarest; less than 0.4% of natlangs has that word-order. But what you have here is a word, not a clause, and this is the order of morphemes, not the "word-order". So maybe that's OK. That is, maybe it's naturalistic.
You can defend the decision anyway by saying you don't want the language to be naturalistic, or, that it isn't supposed to be a human language. Also, if any natlang has one of these quirks, no matter how rare it is, you can say "well, in this particular way, this language is just quirky; I wanted it to have some quirks". But if no natlang does this, and you want it to be a naturalistic human language, you may need to change this feature. |
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langover94
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | (2) As far as clauses' word-order goes, OVS is the rarest; less than 0.4% of natlangs has that word-order |
what is the 0.4% eldin?
and by the way aeetlcreejl, can you post some sound bytes of neiriko? i would love to hear it.
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eldin raigmore
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| langover94 wrote: | | Quote: | | (2) As far as clauses' word-order goes, OVS is the rarest; less than 0.4% of natlangs has that word-order |
what is the 0.4% eldin? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_Verb_Agent
says Guarijio and Hixkaryana. They also mention Tapirape and Tamil. Of these the only one with many speakers is Tamil; and I personally doubt that it's the "[i]dominant[/i] word order" in Tamil. But they don't say it's the "dominant" one in Tapirapi.
(Of course it's the dominant "word"-order of Klingon, which is a non-human conlang.)
See
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED182983&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=ED182983
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0020-7071(198107)47%3A3%3C192%3AOL%3E2.0.CO%3B2-7
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/books/type06.html
http://www.lucl.leidenuniv.nl/content_docs/workingpapers/22/olawsky.pdf
As near as I can tell there are now twelve such natural languages known. Out of about six thousand* languages that exist that's about 0.2%; if there are only 4,000* that's about 0.3%; and if we use only the 2000* languages for which adequate reference grammars have been published, and asume these twelve are among them (and maybe not all twelve are), it's about 0.6%.
BTW I may have overstated its rarity.
Object-Initial word-orders are rarest (OVS+OSV);
then Subject-Final (VOS+OVS);
then OS; (VOS+ OVS+ OSV);
Then Subject-Medial (VSO+OSV);
then Verb-Initial (VOS+VSO) (but these aren't that rare);
then VS; (VSO+VOS+OVS).
I may remember wrong but I think
Object-Initial 1%
Subject Final 3%
OS 4%
Subject-Medial 9%
Verb-Initial 12%
VS 13%
In most languages the subject comes before the object; and in most the verb and the object come next to each other. SOV and SVO are the most common types, adding up to about 85%.
Elsewhere I said 1% of the world's languages are OVS, less than 0.4% are OSV, and 3% are VOS. Either there or here I might have gotten the OVS stats and the OSV stats mixed with each other. (Or not.)
*(If I said I counted them all myself, would you believe me?)
| langover94 wrote: | | and by the way aeetlcreejl, can you post some sound bytes of neiriko? i would love to hear it. |
Good idea.
(BTW How many <r>s in Aeetlrcreejl? And where do they go? And does it depend which board we're on?) |
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Aeetlrcreejl
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Tolkien_Freak wrote: | What's 'other'?
Your lang is awesome, Aeetl. |
But, or, a noun case, etc.
I want the language to be quirky.
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langover94
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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it is very quirky and i love it!!!!!!
your conlang has inspired me to make a polysynthetic language of my own, and i hope to be posting it soon! 
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yssida
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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I always wanted a polysynthetic lang myself, I'm just intimidated by its sheer size. Not to mention the avoidance of kitchen-sink-ness. BAlancing yourself between 2 extremes, not my cup of tea.
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langover94
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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actually most of the sentences are only one or two words
like this one:
I play the violin.
Iowiolínjabæhuemana.
yay!
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Aeetlrcreejl
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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"However, they will say he is a great entertainer, but..."
Diqohɬ̢fu ŕafafruokilleixʷakhlŕa zi...
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