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Baldash
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| eldin raigmore wrote: | relativizers tend to be similar to, and diachronically derived from, three other kinds of words:
* demonstratives, like "that";
* question-words, like "who" and "which";
* some third thing I've forgotten    |
Could the third be the genitive preposition? I don't know about any natural language, but my conlang has the same for "my car" = "car PREP me" and "a car that is red" = "car PREP is-red ca-it". "PREP" is the same in both examples.
In Swedish, the relative preposition is "som", which isn't similar to any of them, but the same word when not a relative preposition could translate to English "as": "Du gćr som en groda" = "You walk as a frog" or "You walk like a frog", the same word as in "The man who ate the fish" = "Mannen som ćt fisken", "The car that is red" = "Bilen som är röd". |
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LingoDingo
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Aalmok:
.ja kťuhlu(ya xai ku hoonoi)..peuzal nai wa joeen..wa cetsîť uňkiyai ku řlyehoi e ihaa-nťleiyoi.
.<Cthuhlu-0>we-INC-GEN-NOM(who-CONJ to-exist-3P-SING-PRES in ocean-LOC)..heaven-GEN to-be-3P-SING-PRES name you-SING-GEN-NOM..kingdom you-SING-GEN-NOM to-come-3P-SING-NFUT in<R'lyeh-LOC>and<Y'ha-Nthlei-LOC>.
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eldin raigmore
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| Tolkien_Freak wrote: | | eldin raigmore wrote: | I read (and posted) about this once. World-wide and cross-linguistically, regardless of language-family, linguistic area (sprachbund), or (up to a point) language type, relativizers tend to be similar to, and diachronically derived from, three other kinds of words:
* demonstratives, like "that";
* question-words, like "who" and "which";
* some third thing I've forgotten |
Makes sense though. English has both the first two competing (and the first one is winning). Wonder what the third one is. |
| Baldash wrote: | Could the third be the genitive preposition? I don't know about any natural language, but my conlang has the same for "my car" = "car PREP me" and "a car that is red" = "car PREP is-red ca-it". "PREP" is the same in both examples.
In Swedish, the relative preposition is "som", which isn't similar to any of them, but the same word when not a relative preposition could translate to English "as": "Du gćr som en groda" = "You walk as a frog" or "You walk like a frog", the same word as in "The man who ate the fish" = "Mannen som ćt fisken", "The car that is red" = "Bilen som är röd". |
Don't know; but IIANM some dialects of English have "the man as at the fish" and "the car as is red", so maybe so.
| LingoDingo wrote: | Aalmok:
.<k>toal(wa kuunai ku hoonci)..piyumzal aanai joeen weˀal..cetsîť weˀal byubei ku<345>ke<ihaa>.
.<Cthuhlu>we-INC-GEN-NOM(who-CONJ to-exist-3P-SING-PRES in ocean-LOC)..heaven-GEN to-be-3P-SING-PRES name you-SING-GEN-NOM..kingdom you-SING-GEN-NOM to-come-3P-SING-NFUT in<R>. |
Good! Thanks.  
| killerken wrote: | Hooray! I got to invent a vocative case for this one! And a relative pronoun!
"Our Chthulhu who art in the sea, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come, thy will be done in R'lyeh as it is in Y'ha-nthlei." -Thanks Eldin
Cțuluâsew, mor san ŝosorî lârvỉ nun, wỉrâno mentolorâr lârvỉ nun; voțenalenâno hesvỉ nun, hyavâno dỉrvâr lârvỉ nun, san R'lyeh lâc san Y'ha-nthei lârvỉ nun.
Cthulhu-1stplposs(V), which in sea-great to-be gnomic-indicator, name-2ndposs(S) holy to-be gnomic-indicator; kingdom-2ndposs(S) to-come gnomic-indicator, will-2ndposs(S) done to-be gnomic-blah, in R as/like in Y to-be g-i.
Mor is used for people, animals, inanimate objects, etc. Dỉrvâr is the adjective/past participle form of the verb to-do: dỉrvỉ. |
Sorry for taking so long to say so, killerken, but: Awesome!
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