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The Alurhsa Word for Constructed: Creativity in both scripts and languages
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eldin raigmore
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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| StrangeMagic wrote: | | Point taken and thank you for your comments. I understand what you mean and I think I will add it to the information. Thank you. |
 You took that so well and answered so politely I'm going to criticise you even more. (That's what people do, isn't it?) 
The prefixes that are three syllables long, the suffixes that are three syllables long, and the circumfixes whose parts are both two syllables long, also seem a little "heavy", morphologically, to me. Maybe that's just a characteristic of your language and you want to keep it so it won't be just like every natlang. But consider the affixes with these same meanings in natlangs; if you make yours longer on purpose, it would be good if you'd at least thought of a (fictional) reason to do so.
Other than that; the total length of the parts of a typical circumfix can be a bit longer than the length of a typical prefix or suffix; but each individual part of a typical circumfix is probably a bit shorter than a typical prefix or suffix; and a typical infix is probably also a bit shorter than a typical prefix or suffix.
And, affixes (and even other morphemes) often have allomorphs; speakers choose among these allomorphs, usually, based on the sounds in the root or stem to which the affixes get affixed. So the sounds in an affix tend to change most where they are next to the sounds of the root or stem (or in some cases next to another affix). Allomorphs of suffixes tend to vary most in the first sound(s), and allomorphs of prefixes tend to vary most in the last sound(s). If it is necessary to avoid ambiguity, the allomorph may have more sounds, or "more sound" (the sound that's there may be more emphatic), when it is next to another sound that would otherwise make it be hard to distinguish. When ambiguity is not a risk, the sound at the edge of the affix may change to match the sound next to it at the edge of the root or stem; especially if it's already sort of similar, anyway. (That saves the speaker some effort and/or time.)
You may want to reduce the length of some other of your affixes, too. And, whether or not you want to shorten any of them, you probably want to consider allomorphs for all of them; you may not actually make allomorphs of all of them, but you probably want to make that be a deliberate decision rather than a default. (Chances are some of the allomorphs will sometimes be shorter than the "main morph".)
I have to admit I'm proud of you for getting far enough even to have anything for me to make these remarks about. I have a list of prefixes and suffixes, but I have not assigned a meaning to even one of them. And, I need a list of "transfixes" (since my 'lang is a "3con" or "TRS"), but I don't have one yet, much less do I have the meanings for them.
So, congratulations!
And although I'm sure you'll want to make some allomorphs, I'm not pressuring you to do it soon, or to make it a priority over whatever you're already doing.
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Thanks for showing us this. |
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StrangeMagic
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for your advice, criticism is good!
Many things in my conlang and conworld are complicated, not necessarily philosophically as in Ithkuil. ^_^ But complex as in the language, long-ish words; from a basic horizontal alphabet to one which is vertical and cursive; extensive family relationship words (which I will show next, I think).
Many of these things have been due to the fact that these creatures are extremely religious, regarding their Goddess and God with the highest attitude and therefore, they feel that everything they do is for them, therefore, they wanted to represent their brilliance by adapting their original alphabet into something which would mimic the Goddess and God's combined power of creating water (the vertical script).
The language has also become more complicated at times and the affixes are a special part of the language. This is due to the fact that they wanted to create a language which was representative of the magic of nature - complex and numinous.
And on the more linguistic side, the affixes were derived from the single words which can then be made into an affix.
However, I am quite intrigued by the idea of allomorphs, I may add some in, I'll think about it. Thank you, once more. |
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StrangeMagic
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, due to several failed attempts of trying to paste my family structure on here. I will need to re-direct you.
Please go here:
http://vreleksa.pbwiki.com/Eleypherion-Family-Structure
On there, you will see madness.  But in fact, it looks like madness due to the importance of being polite and knowing where you belong - as my conworld's inhabitants are animals, their families are HUGE, but they still try their best to try and find out about their relations with each other.
The list is not yet extensive, there are still many others to do, I could continue forever, but for now, I am going to leave it as that. |
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Tolkien_Freak
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| This is totally off topic, but how do you log in and edit pages on the Vreleksa' wiki you linked to? |
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Dhanus
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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I forgot there was a Vreleksa' Wiki...  |
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StrangeMagic
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Tolkien_Freak wrote: | | This is totally off topic, but how do you log in and edit pages on the Vreleksa' wiki you linked to? |
Umm, the password into it is 'raindrops' you need to log in with that password to add and edit pages.
| Quote: | | I forgot there was a Vreleksa' Wiki... |
LOL, well, I've reminded you! ^_^ |
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eldin raigmore
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| StrangeMagic wrote: | | http://vreleksa.pbwiki.com/Eleypherion-Family-Structure |
That is a very good page! I like it.
| StrangeMagic wrote: | | ... the importance of being polite and knowing where you belong |
There are tribes in Australia, I think, or maybe somewhere else in the Southern Hemisphere, where it's impossible to continue a conversation with anyone until you've found out how you're related to each other. They can't do business with anyone who isn't at least a very distant relative.
| StrangeMagic wrote: | | as my conworld's inhabitants are animals, |
The real world's inhabitants are animals, too! Only animals are allowed to be citizens of the U.S., AFAIK.
| StrangeMagic wrote: | | The list is not yet extensive, |
It's not?  |
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StrangeMagic
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| Quote: | | That is a very good page! I like it. |
Thank you very much!
| Quote: | | There are tribes in Australia, I think, or maybe somewhere else in the Southern Hemisphere, where it's impossible to continue a conversation with anyone until you've found out how you're related to each other. They can't do business with anyone who isn't at least a very distant relative. |
That is really interesting, I will try and look into it.
| Quote: | | The real world's inhabitants are animals, too! Only animals are allowed to be citizens of the U.S., AFAIK. |
Haha, wrong use/ambiguous terminology again.
| Quote: | | The list is not yet extensive, It's not? |
It's not extensive, almost sufficient but not extensive. LOL |
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yssida
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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I really love your attention to detail. It reminds me of Chinese kinship, they have words for everything! 
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StrangeMagic
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I really love your attention to detail. It reminds me of Chinese kinship, they have words for everything! |
Mmm, that was what I based it on. |
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yssida
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: |
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I like it, keep it up!
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