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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll post them when I make them, I promise! Also, I will post Calligraphic Gwakkian and my new, yet-to-be-named script as soon as my scanner is working.


Oh yes you will! Or else! Twisted Evil JK! But I'm definitely looking forward to seeing those. I also have some new scripts that I will be posting soon.

So I'm looking forward to everything coming! Oh and how on earth did you make that flag?! I need to know because none of my con countries have flags.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serali wrote:
...Oh and how on earth did you make that flag?! I need to know because none of my con countries have flags....

If you're talking to me, I made it in PowerPoint and did a screen capture to make it a jpeg.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I was talking to you and thank you for the info. I'll shall Google it.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

miaphenthus wrote:
In my conworld, most are anarchists, so they don't recognize a need for a flag. Tribes develop their own sense of morality and ethics without a constitution.


Flags, vexilla, totems, badges, coats-of-arms, mons, seals, liveries, etc. are not necessarily tokens of authority, nor of government, nor of laws, nor of private property.

If your tribes have any tribal sense of morality and ethics, rather than purely personal morality and ethics, they're likely to have symbols of such things.

If your tribes are aware that they are tribes, with members and non-members; and people know which tribes they're in and which they're not in; they'll probably have symbols by which they can make their membership known. Even if every tribe is small enough that every member recognizes every other member on sight, still, there will be times when a member is not actually at a location at the moment, but wants other members to know he or she usually will be there; or when a member will want other members to know he or she is a member, even from too far away to recognize him or her individually.

If there's any need for people to dress in such a way that their physical features can't be used to identify them -- for instance, wrapping up against polar cold, or wrapping up against desert conditions, or wearing armor that covers too much of the face and head (sometimes, if it just covers the hair, ears, and neck, that will be too much) -- then they will want some mark they can wear that will identify them either individually or as a member of their tribe.

If the tribe has property -- whether or not its members have individual property -- or if the members have property -- whether or not the tribe has collective property -- there often will be a need to identify it even when the owner(s) isn't/aren't actually holding it or standing or sitting on or in it at the moment. For instance, any missile might be marked to show whose it is; arrows, spears, boomerangs, etc. This may be important because the missile might be re-usable; and/or it may be important in order to identify who hit what. Also, any domesticated animal will probably be marked somehow to show who is the owner, especially if there are no fences. And, if there are fences, they will probably be marked to show whose property is on which side.

If there is any need for the members of a tribe to know where their rallying-point is from a distance, the custom of lifting the tribe's totem or symbol or whatever on some kind of pole or standard will probably arise. In some cases this will need to be movable. This is, in fact, how flags arose; a movable pole with the totem on top. It began to be decorated, with stuff like ox-tails or horse-tails or ribbons or whatever; as time went on, the ribbons grew into a flag, while the totem shrank into a finial.

In real life this was most notably needed in battle. So the finial of many flags is a spear-head. But there may be other reasons to need it. Even if it never needs to be mobile, it may still need to be high -- consider totem-poles.

Mottoes, battle-cries, and passwords (or "shibboleths") will also be needed, even in your society.

Even if there is no private property, no war, no government, no law, no stealing, and no killing, chances are your people will need something or other to stand in for flags; otherwise your Utopia will be so much like Heaven that people never even could get lost or separated, in which case why would it be interesting?
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
...Flags, vexilla, totems, badges, coats-of-arms, mons, seals, liveries, etc. are not necessarily tokens of authority, nor of government, nor of laws, nor of private property....

Exactly! In addition to the flag, a new-ish addition, my people have various badges that denote trade, training/education level, and clan affiliation. There was never any one ruler and there still isn't.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hemicomputer wrote:
Serali wrote:
...Oh and how on earth did you make that flag?! I need to know because none of my con countries have flags....

If you're talking to me, I made it in PowerPoint and did a screen capture to make it a jpeg.

You can also group the objects, then you could either copy it into another program (like paint) and save it as a jpeg, or you can right-click on it in powerpoint and click Save as Picture. I'm not sure if you can save it as a jpeg there, it may just be an emf. In which case you would have to export it as a jpeg.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hemicomputer wrote:
Serali wrote:
...Oh and how on earth did you make that flag?! I need to know because none of my con countries have flags....

If you're talking to me, I made it in PowerPoint and did a screen capture to make it a jpeg.

You can also group the objects, then you could either copy it into another program (like paint) and save it as a jpeg, or you can right-click on it in powerpoint and click Save as Picture. I'm not sure if you can save it as a jpeg there, it may just be an emf. In which case you would have to export it as a jpeg.


Yeah, that might be more useful advice (to Serali). I use a Mac, so my methods will obviously be different (assuming that she uses a PC).
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Windows XP count as a PC?


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. I have the bad habit of saying "PC" instead of "Windows", even though PC applies to any operating system.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why I asked.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to reopen such a dead topic, but I just made my flag!



I have a more detailed explanation of the contents, if you're interested.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, a more detailed explanation would be appreciated. I can tell that the blue text says "Tst" and "Gwk," but more information would be nice.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it could be interesting to know what the remaining symbols on your flag symbolize.

It's weird, I never posted my flags here... Here they are...

Kingdom of Alirdyse (Relge Alirdyse)

1st 2nd 3rd

Kingdom of Layse (Relge Layse)

1st 2nd 3rd

Well, the red-black-red stripes in the middle of the Layselka flag weren't there from the very beginning, they appeared soon after Layse took control over New Geckoshire, an ancient Witchdom on decay after the Witchqueen went nuts and cursed (and later killed) her own daughter... Some people say she was sick due to some venereal disease she might have contracted in the past when she was younger (but still not SO young).

New Geckoshire (Lanye Shelnovlone, Protectorate, later Province of the Kingdom of Layse)


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hemicomputer wrote:
Yes, a more detailed explanation would be appreciated. I can tell that the blue text says "Tst" and "Gwk," but more information would be nice.


Well, first off, the symbols and characters are messily written on purpose, as the flag would commonly have been hand-made (with a piece of cloth, perhaps animal hide in more primitive areas, died red and stenciled with the semi-ellipses) then with the symbols and characters painted on. The two symbols inside the ellipses have no relation at all to the gwakkian script, they were simply ancient symbols used to represent vague concepts (by early gwakkian phiosophers). They were in the past oftentimes interchangeable, depending on the region in which the flag was created. In terms of evolution, this was because the concept for this flag was originally made when Gwk declared its independence from the surrounding countries, so the flag was designed to represent the general ideals and principles of Toast of which Gwk was founded upon. As such, the two symbols were not yet added. They were then added on an ad hoc basis by whoever made the flag, and it varied by region. The two current symbols were decided upon by a royal decree made after years of squabbling. Currently, they are thought by the Gwakkians to represent unity in the cause of Toast (left symbol), and the general believed greatness of Gwk (right symbol). The blue characters are self-explanatory. The background of the flag is red so as to symbolize the blood of Toast (which doesn't actually exist, as the gwakkians believe that the blood is actually their own blood, but that's another story for another time). The two inward-pointing ellipses symbolize the enourmous outside forces that dwarf Gwk in size, with one coloured yellow to represent the hope and perserverance in the cause of Toast, and the other coloured black to represent the other entities of the world (śltśt) and the gwakkians' solidarity against them.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...and the other coloured black to represent the other entities of the world (śltśt) and the gwakkians' solidarity against them.

Against them? Mmm, that's curious, I think...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically their belief that all other cultures (that don't revere Toast as highly as they do) are inferior to theirs, and their belief that it is their duty to stand up for it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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that don't revere Toast


Hopefully this isn't a really stupid question, but are you talking about slightly singed bread? Like the kind served with butter and jelly for breakfast? Not to be disrespectful, but how do they feel about baguettes?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm talking about toast as more a description of their belief system, but yes, it stems from your so-called "slightly singed bread". However, the gwakkian version of toast is purer than ours, and does not relate to bread.

See my post in this topic.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Flags Reply with quote

Aeetlrcreejl wrote:
If you have flags of your conworlds, post them here, or else we will eat you....
I made a flag for Adpihi fifty years ago. But I don't have it anymore, and I don't know how to put it on the Internet.
I cannot find on the internet the flag of the Vidhyalayam elementary school (1st thru 8th grades, in American terminology) in the Bhagyam suburb of Vellore. That flag was based on, and nearly identical to, my flag for Adpihi. If it's still in use, and there's a picture of it on the web, maybe someone can find it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tst is a sacred food, and is considered to be descended directly from the creationary deities, passed down through the generations by word of mouth.


Ah! That makes sense. So it's kind of like unleavened bread in its cultural significance? Pretty neat.
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