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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:29 am    Post subject: Conlang Peculiarities Reply with quote

I had an idea for a topic - post any little peculiarities your lang has - little details that are not something you might think about normally.

For example (and for a first entry), since my lang rarely ever uses a copula, it uses the word for 'yes' as a suffix that confirms the previous statement - where in English you would say 'it is', in Raitoliste you would say 'ëia'.

Even the 'rarely uses a copula' part would be a good enough post.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Käläli has 2 words for 'you' Tasil and Wä. And there isn't a plural form you just use either Tasil or Wä.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not completely sure if this would count, but it my language there is a specific form form for 'I am' to say what gender you are, Ra'g. Therefore there's also the past-tense of this pronoun, I was (male, female, a girl, a boy, etc.), Ra'k, which I would think would be rarely used.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are good, keep 'em coming!

Addendum to the original post: You don't use -ia when negating - 'ua ëia' is incorrect.
-ia is also used (still on the noun) to say 'very' - 'ëia eti' means 'it is very good'.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Alurhsa language has 70 phonemes.

It also has a second person deprecating pronoun and verb form, used when you want to show disdain or be insulting to someone.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

halyihev wrote:
The Alurhsa language has 70 phonemes.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adpihi is highly synthetic but not exactly polysynthetic.
It's somewhere between agglutinative and fusional.
It morphologically marks both topic and focus.
It's verb-initial, head-initial, and right-branching*.
It's both topic-prominent and subject-prominent.
It's a clause-chaining language, but not a serial-verb language.
It has about 25 genders, I think; I'll have to look that up, I may be remembering wrong.
It doesn't allow affricates; consecutive consonants can't be homorganic.
It has 96 demonstratives, some of which are quite rare.
The demonstratives' system uses two deictic centers -- the speaker and the addressee -- and distinguishes between in-reach and out-of-reach, and between in-sight and out-of-sight, for both of them.
It is almost entirely both head-marking and dependent-marking.
It uses no, or very few, "floating markers" or "linkers".
It has 13 past tenses and 13 future tenses.
It has a tripartite-dative morphosyntactic alignment.
It has several "bivalent intransitive" ("S E") verbs; taking an S like an intransitive subject and an E like an indirect object.

*EDIT: Maybe it's left-branching instead. The "head-initial" is the part that is most important. I'll have to work with it a bit to see whether it's more left-branching or more right-branching.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien_Freak wrote:
halyihev wrote:
The Alurhsa language has 70 phonemes.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
Adpihi is highly synthetic but not exactly polysynthetic.
It's somewhere between agglutinative and fusional.
It morphologically marks both topic and focus.
It's verb-initial, head-initial, and right-branching.
It's both topic-prominent and subject-prominent.
It's a clause-chaining language, but not a serial-verb language.
It has about 25 genders, I think; I'll have to look that up, I may be remembering wrong.
It doesn't allow affricates; consecutive consonants can't be homorganic.
It has 96 demonstratives, some of which are quite rare.
The demonstratives' system uses two deictic centers -- the speaker and the addressee -- and distinguishes between in-reach and out-of-reach, and between in-sight and out-of-sight, for both of them.
It is almost entirely both head-marking and dependent-marking.
It uses no, or very few, "floating markers" or "linkers".
It has 13 past tenses and 13 future tenses.
It has a tripartite-dative morphosyntactic alignment.
It has several "bivalent intransitive" ("S E") verbs; taking an S like an intransitive subject and an E like an indirect object.

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Wow, that is scary.

My conlang has no diphthongs and there are at least two uncommon tenses: mystic and hopeful.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know..... Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aquénandi IS a peculiarity. The words aren't set beyond the basic morphemes, so you have to agglutinate morphemes together while you speak and Make Your Own Words depending on the context rather than using "set" words.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds confusing.
(Actually, reading through your post about it in the relevant thread, it sounds awesome.)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does sound confusing reading the bit that you posted. Hopefully when I read your other post I'll understand it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Le has no nasals and has [S] but no [s]. Some of you may know that.

eldin raigmore wrote:
Adpihi is highly synthetic but not exactly polysynthetic.
It's somewhere between agglutinative and fusional.
It morphologically marks both topic and focus.
It's verb-initial, head-initial, and right-branching.
It's both topic-prominent and subject-prominent.
It's a clause-chaining language, but not a serial-verb language.
It has about 25 genders, I think; I'll have to look that up, I may be remembering wrong.
It doesn't allow affricates; consecutive consonants can't be homorganic.
It has 96 demonstratives, some of which are quite rare.
The demonstratives' system uses two deictic centers -- the speaker and the addressee -- and distinguishes between in-reach and out-of-reach, and between in-sight and out-of-sight, for both of them.
It is almost entirely both head-marking and dependent-marking.
It uses no, or very few, "floating markers" or "linkers".
It has 13 past tenses and 13 future tenses.
It has a tripartite-dative morphosyntactic alignment.
It has several "bivalent intransitive" ("S E") verbs; taking an S like an intransitive subject and an E like an indirect object.


That sounds somewhat like a description of Lorošae.

Also, Neiriko has about 100 phonemes.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in Danšlağ there is a 2 syllable copula. also, to make a word past tense, you would say "fafara" (did) before the word. (however, this mostly works only with verbs).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serali wrote:
Käläli has 2 words for 'you' Tasil and Wä. And there isn't a plural form you just use either Tasil or Wä.
Interesting. So, what is the difference between Tasil and Wa?

halyihev wrote:
The Alurhsa language ... has a second person deprecating pronoun and verb form, used when you want to show disdain or be insulting to someone.
Interesting. Any details? Any examples?

StrangeMagic wrote:
My conlang has ... at least two uncommon tenses: mystic and hopeful.
How, when, by whom, and why are they used? If they are tenses, that implies they are either present or past or future, or at least non-past or non-future. Are they? If so, which? "Hopeful" sounds more like a mood than like a tense; "mystic" doesn't sound like any verb accident I've heard of before. Could you explain?

Eccentric Iconoclast wrote:
Aquénandi IS a peculiarity. The words aren't set beyond the basic morphemes, so you have to agglutinate morphemes together while you speak and Make Your Own Words depending on the context rather than using "set" words.
That sounds like a good description of "polysynthetic". Is that what you meant?


Aeetlrcreejl wrote:
That sounds somewhat like a description of Lorošae.
What's Lorosae? A natlang or a conlang? If a conlang, yours or someone else's? Where can I find out more about it? If it's a natlang, what family is it in, where is it spoken, and how many speakers does it have?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
Aeetlrcreejl wrote:
That sounds somewhat like a description of Lorošae.
What's Lorosae? A natlang or a conlang? If a conlang, yours or someone else's? Where can I find out more about it? If it's a natlang, what family is it in, where is it spoken, and how many speakers does it have?


Lorošae is one of my conlangs. No information is available on the web and besides me and you all, 2 people know of its existence.

Off-topic: I can't find the sheet witrh all my info on the Neiriko script! Eheu!

EDIT: I found it! YAY!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How, when, by whom, and why are they used? If they are tenses, that implies they are either present or past or future, or at least non-past or non-future. Are they? If so, which? "Hopeful" sounds more like a mood than like a tense; "mystic" doesn't sound like any verb accident I've heard of before. Could you explain?


The Mystic tense shows that the actions are unsure if they are real and so they are no 1st and 2nd person forms. This will not change when it is talking about the future or past, because it should be clear in the contect.

Code:
Person       Consonant    A,E,U   I,O
he            -ajaran    -jara   -kujara
she           -aharan    -hara   -kuhara
it            -ilanan    -lana   -kulana
they          -angunga      -ngun    -kungun




The hopeful tense is more of an suffix or mood than a tense. It is used whenever the sentence has I "hope", "desire", "wish" in. They are added to the verb they want happening.

Code:
Consonant   A,E,U   I,O
-aralto   -najaro   -minplu


There are many forms, for example

I wish he is coming
Cliwibataralto
Cli-wi-bat-aralto
Come-(IO)-CON-(C)HOP

I wish he has come
Candi cliwiolaralto
Cand-i cli-wiol-aralto
Have-(C)3-PRS come-(IO)3-PER-(C)HOP
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't those be moods?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aeetlrcreejl wrote:
Wouldn't those be moods?
Yes. Both would be kinds of "irrealis" mood.

The "mystic" would be what is usually called the "dubitative" (doubtful). In many Indo-European languages the mood usually called "subjunctive" (because it is used for subordinate clauses) is also used as a dubitative.

The "hopeful" mood would usually be called "optative", though I can't say "hopeful" isn't a better name. Probably StrangeMagic should note that what he calls the "hopeful" mood is better known as "optative"; but keep calling it "hopeful" himself.

Many people call all tense-aspect-mood accidents of verbs "tense". I would prefer to distinguish tenses from aspects from moods.
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